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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swissoak »

Delmania wrote: post #207
luxuryballs wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason he said it was 'rigged' is because of the overwhelming bias and frankly twilight-zone behavior of the media who are clearly donating to Clinton and wanting to maintain whatever special privileges they have under Obama. We have a real problem with the press in this country... great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE

Yes, I've seen that interview, where Gingrinch accused Kelley of being fascinated with sex and then attempted to use Bill Clinton's indiscretions as some sort of way to discredit Hillary. This is after he talked to his exwife about divorce while she was recovering from cancer and then later has an affair. At that point, it was clear the interview served no useful purpose. Additionally, all major media publications ha…

Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President.

Pathetic.

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Post by williamle8300 »

douche wrote: post #228
knodi123 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama said otherwise. He said he learned about it in the news reports at the same time as everyone else.

Which some of these emails has revealed was bullshit

I believe you're referring to this: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Podesta is on record saying that "we need to clean this up" when this discrepancy surfaced.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

arrosenberg wrote: post #121
bb88 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Scooter" Libby leaked the name of a CIA agent and got pardoned. It's time for Obama to pardon Hillary on this.

She hasn't been convicted of a crime. There is nothing to pardon.

You don't have to be convicted before you're pardoned.

For example, Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, even though he hadn't been convicted of anything.

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Post by tomjen3 »

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

Please a democratically elected presidential candidate from a major party getting elected cannot be a threat against democracy, it IS democracy.

Democracy is not getting the leader you want, it is not getting the best leader and it isn't pretty - it is a way to guarantee legitimacy by getting the leader most people vote for, no more, no less.

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Post by tomjen3 »

swissoak wrote: post #173
uptown wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that's likely how it'd play out, what statute do you feel precludes a President from being convicted?

There is a lot of historical precedent. A US President can generally claim immunity to everything except an impeachment. Regardless of laws, you'd never find someone capable of arrest the US President. Secret service would quickly fill anyone attempting to do so with bullets. Worst case scenario, the President can go hang out at a military base of which he or she has absolute authority. Good luck having the DC Police…

A little googling and it turns out you are almost right. The Sergent at Arms of the US Senate can arrest anyone who violates Senate rules, including the president.

I have no idea if the emails are related enough, as I don't have voting rights in the US I see no reason to care about them.

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Post by xenadu02 »

downandout wrote: post #218
gthtjtkt wrote: post #41

As much as I would like this to be true, I think that's a pretty biased interpretation of his letter. My reading would be this: "We found some new emails. They're relevant, but we don't know if they're important. We're looking into it." What I find interesting is the timing of this letter and, possibly, the fact that he wrote it at all . But we can't judge the significance of those without knowing if this is standard…

So on the timing....there's an interesting backstory here. James Comey was a lifelong Republican until this year [1]. He appears to be a Republican in the "never Trump" camp. Prior to the public disclosure of Comey's recommendation that Clinton not be prosecuted, Loretta Lynch publicly stated that she would try to appear impartial by going with whatever the FBI recommended. This effectively put Comey - a "never Trump…

Which legal experts?

The relevant laws are clear as to what happens. It is the CIO responsible for the individual department who is required to regulate the use of IT resources. It would have been their responsibility to tell Clinton specifically that she wasn't allowed to use the server then cite her if she continued. That didn't happen so she's completely in the clear. The law even allows the CIO leeway to allow things contrary to policy under certain conditions (though I don't think that was done in this case).

The law doesn't provide for felony prosecution for using personal IT resources, no matter how much some people want that to be true for politically convenient reasons. The same people crying about Clinton would reject the charges out of hand if it were their favored political candidate.

In the end she didn't do anything morally wrong which is why this whole email thing has been one big nothing-burger. Everyone has had to fight corporate IT's outdated and stupid policies at one time or another and almost all of us have subverted those policies to get our jobs done.

The only reason we even know about this is because she disclosed it. Colin Powell and Condoleza Rice both used private email servers. So did the entire Bush administration. When confronted with requests for the data they just nuked it from orbit and no one gave a shit. Suddenly it's a huge scandal! The crime of the century!

Trump has violated tax law by using is "charitable" foundation as a piggy bank. I'm not calling for an investigation and prosecution of him because that's banana republic territory.

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Post by tomjen3 »

ktRolster wrote: post #59
Waterluvian wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impeachment and VP becomes president? Or personal pardon!

If you were a Republican, would you really want Tim Kaine instead of Hillary Clinton? That would be like Democrats impeaching Bush and getting Cheney instead.

Why not? You want a truly insane person on the other side, that way at least you have a much larger target to attack.
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