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Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Manuel_D wrote: post #166
toofy wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you take the time to read karp’s manifesto and look into thiels beliefs, then maybe it wouldn’t seem “vibes-based” for you. an example that may cure you of your “vibes-based” confusion, karp, palantirs ceo, argues clearly for authoritarianism and aggressive surveillance of the general population. he hilariously tries to convince people that the best way to have democracy is to not have it at all. a kind of “to pro…

Can you point to where Karp falls for abolishing democracy? I can't seem to find that part.

> falls for?

what does that mean?

advocates for the fall of?

palantir might not be particularly exciting, but the increase in government power by having access to joins is incredibly antidemocratic

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Manuel_D wrote: post #180
sequoia wrote: post #137

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So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!

Yes, the objections to Palantir are mostly just partisan politics. Efforts to portray Karp or Thiel as especially dangerous usually involves some taking some quote and applying a massive leap in logic. Like, Thiel says that it's easier to change the world by inventing new technology than through democracy. And people turn around and try quote this to prop up the claim that he wants to abolish democracy.

its not partisan politics when both partisan parties increase their use of palantir

the actual partisan politics of freedom and making the government's job harder is entirely left out of the politics

when the billionaires own all of the politicians, thats not particularly surprising

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Manuel_D wrote: post #149
tsukurimashou wrote: post #146

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> heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism" no one in their right mind is going to argue with that, not sure what your point is

Microsoft, a company mostly centered in the Pacific Northwest, is not exactly full of right wingers: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-corp/summary?id=d...

owners and workers arent the same group

washington is full of right wing elites, even though the citizens are quite left wing

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by 8note »

Manuel_D wrote: post #139
dgellow wrote: post #121

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> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is. You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know

What is this in reference to? Karp has said that US tech companies should be more willing to work with military and intelligence agencies. By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".

repeat that and look back at it?

the military industrial complex is certainly a fascist institution

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Manuel_D wrote: post #189
throw1234567891 wrote: post #185

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They’ve been paving the path to the main US industry -> weapons. You gotta do what you gotta do to turn the profit. But you guys have also sacrificed a lot of human life.

So your answer is yes? The companies like GM, Cadillac, etc. they were buildings tanks to defeat the Nazis were themselves fascists, because producing armarments is an inherently fascist endeavor? Even if the military they're equipping is actively fighting against real fascists?

pressed into service?

or pressed the government into building more arms, and using them against the citizenry?

theres a pretty significant change between when the US was at declared war and when the companies making arms started pressing the US into undeclared war for the sake of selling the government more arms

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fpoling wrote: post #52
vrganj wrote: post #30

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I think the immigration is what keeps Spain from turning into another Japan or Germany - a stagnant, overly old place stuck in time.

And in Spain most immigrants are from Latin America with close enough culture and language to avoid most integration problems.

spain has a significant rich-brit problem of englishmen spending lots of money and not learning spanish

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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loeber wrote: post #128
omnimus wrote: post #117

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“offensively trivializing those who died in the Holocaust” - calling someone nazi or fascist is not trivializing Holocaust. These are clear terms and both Palantir and Karp often publish texts with fascist ideological elements and views. Read something they published like Technological republic. They are not hiding it. It's not even some radical view.

You're moving the goalposts. The original poster wrote that Palantir is on par with the Nazis. (Typos notwithstanding.) That's what I'm responding to. And yes, it is offensive and trivializing to the millions that were murdered to suggest that that their murderers were on the same moral footing as a modern government software consultancy. (The views that you read into some of their executives are, in fact, not equiva…

millions isnt really all that many people anymore.

it would not be at all surprising for palantir to be involved inunited health killing millions

most nazis dodnt kill millions themselves, they instead helped measure and optimize the killing of millions - a goal that palantir shares

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bpodgursky wrote: post #89

> The firm holds a €16.5 million contract signed in 2023 with the Armed Forces Intelligence Center (CIFAS), which is scheduled to expire this upcoming November. > Military leadership, including the Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Navy, has lobbied Defense Minister Margarita Robles to renew the contract, citing the platform's operational superiority. Palantir wins contracts because they are better at what they do. If…

clearly not better if they cant win a spanish contract?

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #201
RobertoG wrote: post #57

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They didn't ban any company, they just ordered public services and public companies not to use what has been classified as a security risk. Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?

> Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain? why is THAT your take and not "WTF WHY ARE THOSE CAMERAS LEGAL IN GENERAL?"

they could be attached to non-US-owned-tiktok which is clearly the biggest security threat to have ever existed

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zurdolies wrote: post #195
markdown wrote: post #183

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You're far better off having a million new young workers than having a million undocumented young people hidden in the shadow economy. They were already there. Flicking a switch and turning them into participants in the economy and society at large is a positive move.

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is this a robot that screwed up?

are there missing replies which support the idea of writing sentences that are all lies? is there a bug in HN? Im so confused

the earlier couple comments make sense for some old spanish fascist complainjng that people the older fascists didnt kill are now dying out, but what is this a reply to?

where's the rest of the lies?

(sorry if this is against the proper rules)

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