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Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by onemoresoop »

Manuel_D wrote: post #165
bogwog wrote: post #163

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying: > you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as…

You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

> founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world

Why begin with surveilance though?

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by markdown »

broken-kebab wrote: post #132
josu wrote: post #125

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>Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it? The data may be safer with the CCP, at least they won't lose it.

Dunno, losing it maybe safer from a citizen's POV.

Odd take. 99.99999% of citizens will never travel to China, so it matters not that the Chinese govt holds their data.

A local company losing the data screws everyone. Palantir getting the data screws everyone, because while foreign, that data will eventually be fed into global systems like VISA, Mastercard, etc, and affect your travel in numerous countries that will be outsourcing their systems to Palantir.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by markdown »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #170
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #14

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Much of Spain is indeed getting very unpleasant in the summer with climate change, but in the north there are still regions that are quite fine at the moment. Where I am, we recently beat the all time temperature record with 35 degrees, but that was a single day. Most days these weeks it isn't going over 25, and I don't think we hit 30 in June except for that single day and maybe one other day. The problem is that th…

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You're far better off having a million new young workers than having a million undocumented young people hidden in the shadow economy.

They were already there. Flicking a switch and turning them into participants in the economy and society at large is a positive move.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by Manuel_D »

onemoresoop wrote: post #181
Manuel_D wrote: post #165

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You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

> founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world Why begin with surveilance though?

Palantir builds analytics, tools to better use and interpret the data that the government already has. The data collection, the actual surveillance, is done by the government.

Palantir started with analytics because the founders believed the US was making poor use of data, and needed better tools.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by throw1234567891 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #162
throw1234567891 wrote: post #157

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Ford propped Nazis in WW2, maybe that’s why you can’t put your finger on it.

And Boeing? And General Motors? And the hundreds of other companies that produced armarments?

They’ve been paving the path to the main US industry -> weapons. You gotta do what you gotta do to turn the profit. But you guys have also sacrificed a lot of human life.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by UltraSane »

vrganj wrote: post #160
fodmap wrote: post #34

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I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps. https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...

The Spanish public overwhelmingly trusts China over the US, so from their perspective, this is not necessarily a bad move. Obviously, the best move would be to keep the data in Europe instead.

It makes no sense at all to trust either.

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Post by mylies43 »

hrldcpr wrote: post #179
stronglikedan wrote: post #131

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Most places will be unaffected. It'll only affect places where humans are, and we're not even close to filling up the planet

> It'll only affect places where humans are What?

I think he meant to say the "planet" where humans are

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by onemoresoop »

stronglikedan wrote: post #131
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #11

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and probably unaffected from climate change No place is unaffected.

Most places will be unaffected. It'll only affect places where humans are, and we're not even close to filling up the planet

Climate change affects places where more people live in the sense that more suffer from it, resources get depleeted fast but the wild temperature fluctuations won’t spare much of the planet in various ways from wet bulb effects, costal erosion, air major currents changing, glaciers melting and so on.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by Manuel_D »

throw1234567891 wrote: post #185
Manuel_D wrote: post #162

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And Boeing? And General Motors? And the hundreds of other companies that produced armarments?

They’ve been paving the path to the main US industry -> weapons. You gotta do what you gotta do to turn the profit. But you guys have also sacrificed a lot of human life.

So your answer is yes? The companies like GM, Cadillac, etc. they were buildings tanks to defeat the Nazis were themselves fascists, because producing armarments is an inherently fascist endeavor? Even if the military they're equipping is actively fighting against real fascists?

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by lokar »

sequoia wrote: post #177
john_strinlai wrote: post #151

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did you hit up wikipedia? the controversies section would be a start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir#Controversies

This section is hilariously hostile towards Palantir. "Wired wrote that some people think Palantir "maintains a giant, centralized database of information collected from all of its clients", which is untrue." 'some people' is a classic weasel word[0] used to prop up the writer's opinion. This sentence is even funnier because it initially appears to state that Palantir has a centralized DB of clients data, only to fin…

Well, you start with an obviously false claim, I did not continue reading.
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