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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by ValentineC »

manwithopinions wrote: post #143
liendolucas wrote: post #140

Can someone give a bit more of context on this thread? I have no idea who Nico is nor what Papermark is or does. As an aside thought not related to the thread: Is it my perception or people are getting more used to not only vibe code things from existing solutions/projects but also "steal" open source code and do whatever the heck they want without complying morally/ethically/legally to the whole premise of open sour…

If you’re a business that deals in documents from external customers / partners, you use a data room like DocSend (by Dropbox) to share and receive documents with access management, analytics, auditing etc. Papermark is an open source alternative to DocSend. Papermark is very popular, as it is a much more cost effective alternative to DocSend — self-host or hosted. Corgi is a YC backed insurance startup that sells in…

> Another YC startup, Delve, got caught doing what Corgi are accused of (and much more) which led to their removal from YC.

I'm not up to date on Corgi, but from what I was reading about Delve, it was the "much more" (fabricating SOC 2 and ISO 27001 compliance) that caused them to get into trouble.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by [deleted] »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #201
manwithopinions wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is a normal insurance tech startup would be acting as a broker. A rare but sensible insurance tech startup would use external underwriters and reinsurance and provide insolvency protection. Corgi doesn’t have any external underwriters, doesn’t have any insolvency protection, doesn’t have any reinsurance. I think they’re bad on all 3 points, not just the underwriting?

If this is the scenario, it's no wonder they're underwriting everyone & everything, and can do this competitively, because a broker would need to find either enough new clients and/or efficiencies to justify being the middleman between the customer and the actual insurer. That's typically been the strategy of every financial tech company; I don't see any secret sauce with Corgi beyond "'cause AI!". Move fast and brea…

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by fennecbutt »

nfw2 wrote: post #131
cmgriffing wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should thank companies for warning us during the interview process that they are so separated from reality (especially in the AI era) If AI can’t make them recognize a work life balance has value then it’s easy to see they don’t believe the “force multiplier” BS they are peddling

They are worth 3 billion after two years so it seems like they are doing all right with their strategy although I'm old now and don't want to do that

Lmao tech money is fake. Look at how much AI companies are throwing around. Musk is personally worth 1T now supposedly.

It's all virtual valuations. The stock market is poison but most people on here won't admit to that because they have their own interests in it. What a joke our species is lmao. We're still grabbing big sticks to hit each other with and worrying about our neighbors coming to take our rocks because we're all just monkeys still, even though we pretend we're not.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by nfw2 »

nailer wrote: post #240
gilleain wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very clear example of this is the 'Sovereign Citizen', who have bizarre beliefs around how to interact with courts. As far as I understand it, there are some 'cheat codes' people believe (incorrectly) are effective in literally getting you out of jail free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement > Another common belief among sovereign citizens is that they can opt out of the purported contract, ma…

> Like, why would this be true Steel-manning the sovereign citizens movement (which I don't believe in): they believe authority comes from the consent of the populace, which is a true statement and in many countries founding documents, they mistakenly think that means the law doesn't apply to them when they as an individual do not consent. They basically don't get that democracy is the tyranny of the many.

Social contract philosophy has always seemed oversimplified to me. Are people in China or Iran consenting? "I consent, so I won't be killed" seems more like coercion.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by snihalani »

goobatrooba wrote: post #202

One other Twitter comments reveals that they probably just asked an AI to copy Papermark. Evidenced by AI comments saying the page was aligned to the "reference" https://xcancel.com/ffumarola/status/2070479755892371713#m

The era of chinese level competition is here.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by snihalani »

lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

Does Design/Text count as intellectual property?

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by viccis »

nerdix wrote: post #206

If you drop a screenshot of a web page into something like Figma Make, you can get it to produce a strikingly close replica. I get that vibe from the screenshots. They are very similar but not exactly the same. That's probably also why a lot of the copy is the same. Not getting your magic text generator to reword the copy for you is just sloppy.

AI will generally err on the side of slavishly copying any reference. I'm having this problem at work lately. Teammates will be asked to implement a new module for into the codebase, and they'll just point Claude at it and say "integrate into this codebase" in one shot and what it will do is create a function for function clone of the first data integration's client, down to implementing copies of the private utility methods.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by tsunamifury »

With LLMs being able to replicate simple SaaS tools we are going to see a lot of "you stole my idea" and regardless of it being right or wrong, the judgement of time tends to be defensibility.

I wouldn't bet on small scale software defensibility in the future. Just being practical...

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