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How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt]

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It's like a reverse get out of jail free card. Do the other party have evidence against you? Declare classified documents and they go to jail instead of you.

But if you pile the classified documents up in their bathroom, they’ll be fine.

How else are you going to justify the ridiculous membership fee, if not with the lending library of national secrets? Rules for thee and not for me and all that.

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Most people have no safety net and if the money stops rolling in their life is effectively ruined for several years

Most people in the world? Potentially, though I doubt the "life ruined for years" part holds for >50%. Most people on HN? Definite no. Most people on HN who work in roles where they're exposed to such mass surveillance or other evil at scale (like Meta)? Absolutely not.

I took far too many ethics and philosophy electives to have a well-paying career in computing. I should've just taken the one required ethics course for the major and gone to work for the "kinetic delivery system" company that tried to recruit me.

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- There are people with $1M+ salaries who live pay check to pay check. This is a choice. A lot of HNers fall under this category. - A lot of people who are actually poor and live pay check to pay check aren't ruined for years if they lose their job. Because the nature of their work and lack of career usually means they're unstable and replaceable "commodity" jobs in the first place. - Almost everyone who is in a posi…

Top 5% earnings only buffer you against job loss if you don't have top 5% expenditures. The hedonic treadmill is real.

That's the whole point. That treadmill is purely for selfish personal satisfaction. This thread was about the ability to quit jobs over ethics. Those people absolutely can get off it and cut their expenditures, without their life being ruined for several years for any reasonable definition of "ruined".

Re: How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt]

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Most people in the world? Potentially, though I doubt the "life ruined for years" part holds for >50%. Most people on HN? Definite no. Most people on HN who work in roles where they're exposed to such mass surveillance or other evil at scale (like Meta)? Absolutely not.

I've seen [alleged] homeless people post on here before. Do you really need more than an interest in tech (and an internet connection) to read/post here?

I've seen them too, and I see no reason to question them. I'm sure there's indeed homeless people on here. I also have very good reason to believe they're a small minority. Try sample 100 profiles, especially of frequent commenters (not in "Get hired" threads). It is by its nature and origin an incredibly SV-dominated group. You and me are outliers.

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that is a good way of looking at it. I wonder though, if power is a bad thing in and of itself. I know that there will always be power. I would rather have people with good intentions have it then the opposite. Not sure how that will happen. I think when more good people get involved I guess.

Nope. Power corrupts. Or as Frank Herbert said it, power attracts the corruptible. The solution is to not give anyone that much power over you!

It's been my experience that power reveals, rather than corrupts. Corruption is in the heart. Instruments (Power) only amplify it.

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Nope. Power corrupts. Or as Frank Herbert said it, power attracts the corruptible. The solution is to not give anyone that much power over you!

There is no better way to neutralize an issue like spying on Americas politically than to have both political parties gaslight the public and assert that it isn't happening. In politics as a team sport, you can't admit that your team would lie like that other team does.

We have politicians on an individual basis that whistleblow surveillance, the public laughs it off: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_d...

The people that treat surveillance as a political flashpoint don't take it seriously enough to inspire change.

Re: How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt]

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Nope. Power corrupts. Or as Frank Herbert said it, power attracts the corruptible. The solution is to not give anyone that much power over you!

There is no better way to neutralize an issue like spying on Americas politically than to have both political parties gaslight the public and assert that it isn't happening. In politics as a team sport, you can't admit that your team would lie like that other team does.

Power is different than politics however. Maybe someday/some way we can build different organizations of people that can make good use of power.

I use to think power was the problem, but then I watched a video from someone I respected[0] and it changed my mind. Plus reading Hannah Arendt[1].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJjODY-PyJY

[1]: https://hac.bard.edu/

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Instances like this is a powerful statement that truly free and democratic governance is not sustainable in the long run with technological advancements. We are basically trading marginal comforts from new technology in the short run for political freedom in the long run and the latency is decreasing. The difference is overt governance of this nature is vilified and amplified in the media and the covert governance is…

They're sustainable but require major cultural revolution to keep up.

That's what Jefferson meant by "blood of Patriots."

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There is no better way to neutralize an issue like spying on Americas politically than to have both political parties gaslight the public and assert that it isn't happening. In politics as a team sport, you can't admit that your team would lie like that other team does.

Power is different than politics however. Maybe someday/some way we can build different organizations of people that can make good use of power. I use to think power was the problem, but then I watched a video from someone I respected[0] and it changed my mind. Plus reading Hannah Arendt[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJjODY-PyJY [1]: https://hac.bard.edu/

Power buys politicians.

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Hackers 2: operation takedown is based on a true story. https://www.cybereason.com/blog/malicious-life-podcast-kevin... > his brother introduced him to a hacker named Eric Heinz, who told him about a mysterious piece of equipment he came across while breaking into Pacific Bell: SAS, a testing system that allowed its user to listen in on all the calls going through the telephone network. SAS proved to be too great of…

Even an office PBX has listen, whisper and barge. Why wouldn't a telco-grade switch have it?

Sure. Nothing surprising in and of itself.

But allowing law enforcement to access that system without a warrant is a clear 4th amendment violation.

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