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France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by kome »

gcbirzan wrote: post #231
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

I mean, Durov has been trying to push for Russian puppets to get elected in Romanian and Moldovan elections, by pushing to everyone (at least in Romania, he might've just posted on twitter for Moldova) that the French government is trying to interfere in the Romanian elections. I mean, it turns out, Russia was, on behalf of the candidate he was talking about... so take from that what you will. Oh, yeah, and he calls…

I mean, sorry, but the EU essentially installed puppets in both Romania and Moldova, what are we even talking about here?

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

bravoetch wrote: post #218
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm torn. I don't want backdoors but I do think police with a warrant from a judge should be able to access your phone.

There's a top tier DEFCON talk by the Lavabit email guy. He explains where the line is for access to phones and other encrypted information. I'll try to summarize - 1 - Law enforcement have actual information about the probable contents of your phone (like an incriminating filename will do). They can reasonably expect to get a warrant and access to your stuff. 2 - They don't know what's there at all, and have no prob…

I assume if they were fishing the judge wouldn't sign a warrant.

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Post by whimsicalism »

johnwayne666 wrote: post #202

HN title: "France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors" LQDN: "Dans ces articles, la cheffe de la section cybercriminalité du parquet de Paris – à l'origine de l'arrestation de Pavel Durov – menace également les développeurs·es de GrapheneOs. Interviewée, elle prévient qu'elle ne s'« empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation crimi…

What is cooperation? How are they supposed to unlock the phone?

Unless you're saying 'compelled to use their private keys to publish an update' or something along those lines, in which case I would say the original headline is correct.

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Post by greenavocado »

johnwayne666 wrote: post #222
strcat wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has threatened us with the same actions they took against SkyECC and Encrochat if we do not cooperate by providing law enforcement access into devices. This was published via Le Parisien in one of their articles and through French state media. They're absolutely threatening us that way.

Can you link these publication containing threats here?

Might be under a gag order

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Post by paulryanrogers »

moomin wrote: post #137
bluGill wrote: post #120

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Even then the backdoor should be on their government device and not the personal devices. Note that having their personal device when doing government work should be prohibited (that is you can't have it in your pocket when working). As is using your personal device for anything government (other than a formula check your government device call/text - employees should be regularly tested that they report any governme…

I mean, this already isn’t permitted in the US yet somehow I’ve read her emails and his signal chats.

Send those doing that to jail. We already do for lower ranked individuals.

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Post by moffkalast »

SilverElfin wrote: post #229
moffkalast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

It’s important to defend libertarian values even when things are good. Small violations of civil rights have a tendency to stick around and snowball into something worse.

The katamari will grow until morale improves.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by kome »

this_user wrote: post #151
dagi3d wrote: post #110

so, they are basically confirming Android and Apple have their backdoors as no arrests or seizures on that matter have taken place

Not really. It's one thing trying to bully a relatively small FOSS project, it's quite something else to take on one of the world's biggest companies that can afford a literal army of lawyers and that also has the power to have the US government intervene on their behalf.

you’re getting the logic wrong. i’m absolutely sure apple and google have direct cia backdoors. that’s what Snowden taught us and it would be delusional to think the world has changed. The bigger the company = tighter the link with power
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