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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by arvinsim »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #164
tw04 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

I am baffled why people wouldn't put a case on their phones?

Thickness? There are a lot of thin cases that will do the job.

Heavy? Better to invest more on arm exercises if that weight is dealbreaker

Status symbol to show off? There are better things to buy if you are in that sort of thing.

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Post by gherkinnn »

cj wrote: post #32
Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

I've never used a case, throw my phones in every corner and never cracked the screen. Anecdotally, I see fewer and fewer broken phones with every year, they last.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by KronisLV »

tw04 wrote: post #146
cj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

> Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside…

I had one of those rugged Android phones before my current iPhone, I think it was the Ulefone Armor X7 Pro. I happened to drop it a few times, worst was from about 1.7 meters up while doing pull ups (wired headphones and busted pants pocket zipper) on concrete. Thought that it’d be a goner for sure, but no, just scratched up the corner of the frame, it had a soft and rubbery quality to it (at least compared to regular plastic).

It was actually a really nice phone, good battery life and everything, except for the part where the battery eventually turned into a pillow and since it’s not exactly easily used serviceable I just moved on.

Since, I started to like iOS but my ideal setup functionality wise would still be something one step closer to a brick with a big battery and a protective exterior (glueing a power bank to my current iPhone case would be a bit silly though).

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Post by gherkinnn »

pxc wrote: post #168
jandrewrogers wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

It depends on where you drop it. Dropping phones on pavement is easy mode. One mistake over coarse gravel and you're pretty fucked even without much height.

Gravel absorbs more energy than pavement, I don't see how it is worse.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by distances »

tw04 wrote: post #146
cj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Since almost everyone uses cases anyway, I don't understand why phones are all metal and glass. I want a phone with a light plastic body. Pixel 4a 5G was my favourite phone, the same weight as iPhone Air. The new Pixel 10 is already over 200g.

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Post by theshackleford »

tshaddox wrote: post #234
artursapek wrote: post #170

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For a lot of people, a phone is a major purchase. Why not throw a $30 case on to protect the $1000 device?

If I was going to cover up my phone with a plastic case, I wouldn’t buy a $1,000 device when most of that money is spent on high quality industrial design and appearance.

Having bought from both sides of the aisle, I couldnt give two shits about the industrial design or appearance. As long as the screen works, and all the hardware and software inside does its job, it could be covered in giant dongs for all I care.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by al_borland »

buu700 wrote: post #222
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #129

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I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. It significantly impacts how easy the device is to hold and pocket. The Air I might consider putting a bumper case on since its thinness offsets the bulk increase, but it's specifically made to be resilient to drops so it's a coin toss even with that. I barely drop my phone though, it happens maybe twice a year, usually on carpet. In…

I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. That's why I use an aramid fiber case from AliExpress. It's paper-thin, but has saved my phone from more drops than can remember. I used to go caseless, but since trying out aramid I don't see any practical benefit to caselessness.

Interesting. I tried an ultra-thin case before (though it was plastic). I dropped my phone one time with it and it shattered. The drop was pretty unforgiving. It was from head-height onto a thick marble floor. In 18 years of owning iPhones, this was my only catastrophic drop.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by vbezhenar »

willis936 wrote: post #134
xyx0826 wrote: post #123

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Is it necessary to prevent the water from freezing? If the chamber and water within are subzero while the SoC produces sufficient heat, the ice would simply melt. * Edit: the article mentioned freezing could crack the seal. Freezing would be a bigger issue than I had thought, then.

I remember being stuck on a ski lift on a day that was too cold and windy for any intelligent person to be skiing. The phone in my breast pocket was cold to the touch and the battery capacity evaporated by 50%. The display's response time was hundreds of ms. I turned it off at that point. Not a huge deal. Just charge it when it's warmer. I would have been a little surprised if something inside popped and suddenly the…

In my city, temperatures are regularly below -20 Celsius and sometimes below -40. iPhone just doesn't work. You need to keep it close to body and you can't use it outside for a prolonged period of time, it'll simply shut off in a few minutes and won't turn on until you heat it.

Old phones and some android phones work just fine in these conditions.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by vbezhenar »

busymom0 wrote: post #63
deadbabe wrote: post #6

I have an iPhone Air now and have no complaints about the heating. The thinness is worth the occasional heat and throttle down. Every time I pick up this phone, it just feels fantastic!

I am considering buying the Air over the base model 17. Only concern I have is whether the battery will degrade faster over charging cycles than base model? Someone with more experience in battery tech could explain if that could be the case possibly?

Of course it will. Less capacity, it means that you'll have more cycles per year (for example you might need to charge base model once in a two days, while air once in a day); or you'll keep air at more extreme battery values (for example you might charge base model every day, but you'll charge it from 25% to 80%, while you'll charge air model every day from 5% to 80%).

That doesn't matter, though. Battery replacement on iPhones is very common procedure and you'll need to replace both batteries eventually.

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Post by swores »

mulmen wrote: post #205
tw04 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

You don’t leave the bumpers out at all times. The decking and furniture are all built from suitable materials to not need additional protection. Phone cases are an anomaly.

I disagree that phones are unique in being fragile without protection, what is unique is that we want to carry them around all day without treating them as delicate. The things we eat off and drink out of often can't be dropped from waste height onto the floor without breaking, the front of the microwave or oven isn't unbreakable glass, nor a laptop, or... plenty of things. We're just OK treating them all as things to avoid dropping.
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