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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Thiez »

enoch_r wrote: post #237
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #160

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Half of Gaza's population _wasn't even born_ yet when Hamas was "elected" so this point is kind of moot

I'm not saying that Gazan civilians deserve to suffer because they voted for Hamas. I am saying that Hamas tries to inflate the death toll for Gazan civilians (both by lying about that toll, and by taking actions with the express purpose of increasing that toll). If you refuse to go to war with Hamas because of this fact, you incentivize that behavior. I can't really think of a more just case for war than "the govern…

They could just give back all the stolen land and homes and stop oppressing the Palestinians. If there weren't so many people living in such a tiny strip of land, the number of Palestinian children who become collateral damage would be greatly reduced, and people would be a lot less likely to join a terrorist organization if they can lead normal lives and don't have an oppressor throwing bombs on their friends and family.

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Post by philwelch »

Thiez wrote: post #192
xdennis wrote: post #136

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Wait for another holocaust? Israel is inflicting one on the people (mostly children!) in Gaza right now. I think it's in rather bad taste to yell holocaust when an occupier faces resistance from a people they are violently oppressing.

That “resistance” took the form of indiscriminately murdering and raping over a thousand unarmed civilians, including Israeli Arabs, in their homes, in the streets, and even at a music festival for peace.

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Post by Anthony-G »

skrebbel wrote: post #68
fullarr wrote: post #62

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We are talking past each other. There are two truths: 1. It is forbidden by law in many places (including the US). 2. They will get away with it regardless, in nearly every case. So often that practically speaking it's allowed

Was it so hard just to lead with this?

Indeed. That was a much better response – and there was no call for laughing their ass off at a genuine question. They may have been laughing at the concept of a police force that doesn’t lie to citizens but it still came across as a rude response.

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Post by breakpointalpha »

robaato wrote: post #91
fullarr wrote: post #11

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Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Conducting an examination 34. The examining officer must explain their role to the person and that Schedule 7 is a part of counter-terrorism policing at the port/UK border, but that this does not mean that they are suspected of being involved in terrorism. The purpose of the examination is to determine whether the person appears to be someone who is or w…

Last sentence of section 39 makes it look like all you have to do is remain silent for 6 hours to be released. I'm not a lawyer.

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Post by [deleted] »

hcfman wrote: post #197
the-dude wrote: post #84

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I believe in The Netherlands it is the same. I always assumed it to be universal.

More than that. In the Netherlands the prosecutors are allowed to lie under oath in court. You might then ask "Well what value has the court then? Good question. The thing is, this doesn't just work against suspects. This works when prosecutors lie in court in order to protect the informants that they have been using in an illegal manner to commit crimes against non-criminals. And every single person in all of the pa…

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Post by Anthony-G »

semanticist wrote: post #38
diggan wrote: post #3

Some context: > Craig John Murray is a Scottish author, human rights campaigner, journalist, and former diplomat [...] he became a political activist, campaigning for human rights and for transparency in global politics as well as for the independence of Scotland [...] Murray was one of few people granted access to Julian Assange's extradition hearing which started in the Old Bailey on 7 September 2020. He published…

In the UK there's the concept of a 'proscribed organisation', that is an organisation which is illegal and the promotion of that organisation is illegal. Hamas is on the proscribed organisation list. Here's the relevant legislation: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/12 And the list of proscribed organisations and a more accessible explanation of the law: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/p…

Thanks for posting the official position of the UK state. I was curious how many far right, non-Islamic organisations are listed as proscribed organisations so I counted them:

* Atomwaffen Division (AWD)

* Feuerkrieg Division (FKD)

* Sonnenkrieg Division (SKD)

* National Action

* The Base

Out of all these, I’d only heard of National Action.

It’s not clear (to me) that all the proscribed groups are actually active in the UK though, with the Internet, I guess they can be recruiting people to their cause.

I also wasn’t too surprised to see that the most recent addition to the list is the Wagner Group (proscribed in September 2023).

On the other hand, I was surprised to see that Basque separatists, ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna) are still listed – despite the fact that they renounced the armed struggle over a decade ago and dissolved their organisation five years ago.

Curiously, their “List of proscribed groups linked to Northern Ireland related terrorism” is even more out-of-date. Since the second-wave of feminism, Cumann na mBan is essentially an historical relic. Some of the organisations (e.g. Saor Éire) haven’t been active since the 70s. The IPLO were (violently) eliminated in the early 90s. The Irish Republican Army is listed but there’s no distinction made between the multiple different groups that refer to themselves as the “Irish Republican Army”; the largest of these (by far), the Provisional IRA abandoned the armed struggle two decades ago and committed themselves to constitutional means of achieving their political aims (as per the 1998 Belfast Agreement aka the Good Friday Agreement) – though splinter IRAs remain opposed to the Peace Process.

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Post by kossTKR »

kmlx wrote: post #168
kossTKR wrote: post #21

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First of i doubt he's done that. Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half a century. There are countless of videos and reports of rich settlers, harassing, stealing property and straight up killing regular palestinian farmers and families just living in their houses. And third. Israel has actively supported Hamas to destroy moderate…

> First of i doubt he's done that. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... he's done exactly that. and he's done this as well: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

This is not support of Hamas though, it is an acknowledgement that there will understandable reactions to the ongoing carpet bombings and warcrimes done by Israel right now. I.e self defence from whatever group holds power there right now.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #199
xdennis wrote: post #155

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Your analogy is wrong because Jews were there before Arabs. It's like saying that Cherokee would be colonizers if they moved to North Carolina, which is their original homeland before they were forced to move to Oklahoma (the Trail of Tears).

Weren't the Philistines in the old testament the ancestors of the Palestinians? Meaning they were there first presumably, since the Israelites had to fight them to take the region in the first place

Of course not. Their ancestors are Egyptians and Algerians who came to work for the British between 1919-1947.

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Post by Tao3300 »

Belopolye wrote: post #53
hef19898 wrote: post #29

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And pointing out the dire straights of Palestinians is different from supporting Hamas. The same way critizing Israel as a nation not the same thing as being anti-semitic. The whole Western media and political landscape somewhat fails to appreciate that small, but incredibly important difference lately. Heck, I am even getting Youtube propagan... I mean ads from the Israeli ministry of defence. But as the saying goes…

In this situation he tweeted something about supporting any of the actions that Hamas makes. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

IMO, in light of that comment, this is a non-story. Though what they did was stupid: acting like a fascist towards someone like this tends to undermine whatever position you're trying to establish simply by making you look like the bad/worse guys.

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Post by Tao3300 »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #160
enoch_r wrote: post #145

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The numbers we have for IDF civilian deaths in Gaza come from the governmental authority in Gaza. That government authority happens to be Hamas. - Hamas falsely attributes civilian deaths to Israel (as you can see from the "hospital strike") - Hamas vastly inflates civilian casualty counts, somewhere between 2-5x as you can also see from the "hospital strike" which was immediately claimed by Hamas to have killed more…

Half of Gaza's population _wasn't even born_ yet when Hamas was "elected" so this point is kind of moot

Hmm. Even in reasonably functional democracies people vastly overestimate the ability of franchisees to affect any kind of meaningful change.
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