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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by jules-jules » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:22 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #173

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Curious if you have historical understanding of who created and propped up Hamas?

Some relevant links and quotes from officials:

https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-ga...

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

Here’s Avner Cohen, Israel's former Religious Affairs Official:

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation”

Here’s US Physician and Congressman Ron Paul:

"Hamas was encouraged and started by Israel, because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat"

Here’s Charles Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia:

"Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet [Israeli Intelligence Agency], which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO."

Here’s Robert Dreyfuss in his book, Devil's Game:

"And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories. It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO."

Plus, Suheib Yousef, son of Hamas co-founder, secretly worked as an Israeli spy under Shin Bet.

All of the above have reputable sources, let me know if I should link anything.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Thiez » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:23 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #136

marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

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Wait for another holocaust? Israel is inflicting one on the people (mostly children!) in Gaza right now. I think it's in rather bad taste to yell holocaust when an occupier faces resistance from a people they are violently oppressing.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by denton-scratch » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:24 PM UTC

kmlx wrote: post #175

alistairSH wrote: post #162

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Ah, well that's a bit more clear. I don't agree with what he said. But, it also doesn't strike me as terrorism itself or outside the bounds of free speech (at least as we know it in the US, which isn't quite the same as in the UK). [I don't have a Twitter account, and try to avoid the site since access seems to be hit-or-miss since Musk took over]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... > PROSCRIBED TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS > Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: > belong to or invite support for a proscribed organisation; > arrange a meeting in support of a proscribed organisation; and. > wear clothing or carry articles in public which arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organ…

> i think he broke the first rule.

He didn't say that anyone else should support a proscribed organisation; he didn't even invite support for their actions. He just said that he intended to support them. And he's not a member of Hamas; so I don't see how you figure that he broke rule #1.

But the Home Secretary is now demanding that the police arrest and charge anyone carrying a Palestinian flag (note: not just a Hamas flag). In that context, the letter of the law seems a bit irrelevant.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:25 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #163

logicchains wrote: post #154

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It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a blatant conspiracy, otherwise Epstein would have done hard jail time in 2008 for soliciting a child prostitute, like anyone else would, rather than getting to walk free on a plea deal. And some of the people on his client list would have gone to jail too.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by karmakurtisaani » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:27 PM UTC

rmbyrro wrote: post #121

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws. I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy. No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly…

"You don't have rights, you have temporary privileges."

(George Carlin)

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by m000 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

kossTKR wrote: post #120

ImaCake wrote: post #106

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Are you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

Great question, i'm in a scandinavian country that is what is so surprising to me. I have family both here in the US and the UK, and everywhere seems to be the same. It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. As an example the "relatively" moderate labour parties of both Denmark and the UK as come out as pretty extreme militaristic hardliner supporters of Israel doubting the effectiveness of ceas…

> It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented.

At least during Cold War, people were aware that there's a Cold War going on. Now everything is supposed to be fine and dandy, yet it feels we're constantly subjected to psy-ops even from "our side".

I don't think that the rise of conspiracy theories in recent years is a coincidence: Something is in play, some people can "sense it" but there's just not enough information to pin it down. Moreover, existing preoccupations are exploited to push these people to fringe theories and make them a laughing stock.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hcfman » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:32 PM UTC

the-dude wrote: post #84

skrebbel wrote: post #28

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> Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Is this pretty universal or is it an American thing?

I believe in The Netherlands it is the same. I always assumed it to be universal.

More than that. In the Netherlands the prosecutors are allowed to lie under oath in court. You might then ask "Well what value has the court then?

Good question.

The thing is, this doesn't just work against suspects. This works when prosecutors lie in court in order to protect the informants that they have been using in an illegal manner to commit crimes against non-criminals.

And every single person in all of the parts of government will just roll over to allow the injustice to continue. Except for Peter Omzigt...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by soco » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:34 PM UTC

rmbyrro wrote: post #121

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws. I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy. No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly…

Basically agreeing with you, I want only to add that I don't believe it was freer earlier - just people less informed.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by cheeseomlit » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:34 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #155

logicchains wrote: post #49

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>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

Your analogy is wrong because Jews were there before Arabs. It's like saying that Cherokee would be colonizers if they moved to North Carolina, which is their original homeland before they were forced to move to Oklahoma (the Trail of Tears).

Weren't the Philistines in the old testament the ancestors of the Palestinians? Meaning they were there first presumably, since the Israelites had to fight them to take the region in the first place

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:35 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #167

coldtea wrote: post #117

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> It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. Probably because humans are not formal proof automata. When the parent said universal they meant "it is a thing across the world and across periods", and not "no X exists, where X is a country, and in X it's against the law".

Ah, maybe it's my non-native English-ness that shines through, but I've always understood "universal" as something implies like it is everyone, not "just in some places". So I could accurately say "English language is universal" even though there are countries where people generally don't speak English at all?

>So I could accurately say "English language is universal" even though there are countries where people generally don't speak English at all?

In math or formal logic, no. In casual english all the time.

Here is an example from the dictionary for universal, that's not actually formally universal:

(a) One reason for the author's success is that her novels have a universal appeal.

Obviously not everyone, even if they do read a lot of novels, would like the author's novels, or even the genre they are in. Some will also just hate them.

Or how about:

(b) Love and relationships will always be a topic of universal interest.

(c) Music is often thought of as a universal language.

There are of course absolutely people who don't care for "love and relationships" or are totally indifferent to music.

Or here's an example from a blog:

https://www.thelanguagegallery.com/blog/why-has-english-beco...

"According to statistics shared by Babbel Magazine, the English language is spoken by 20% of the world’s population. Apart from being one of the most popular languages in the world, English is also the most commonly studied foreign language. Before we learn how it became a universal language"

Note how they call it "universal" even though just spoken by 20% of the people at best.

In general universal in such contexts means "quite common or prevalent, within different population groups (even if the groups belong to a specific type)", e.g.:

"the Latin language (qua Medieval Latin) was in effect a universal language of literati in the Middle Ages"

"In a more practical fashion, trade languages, such as ancient Koine Greek, may be seen as a kind of real universal language, that was used for commerce" (note that the Koine "universal" language was just spoken in the regions around the Mediterranean, North Africa, and Middle East).

(both examples from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_language )