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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Cenk »

dgfitz wrote: post #33
TheDong wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is likely the following tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

It could be considered resistance to the ongoing occupation of Gaza and the war crimes that Israel commits there (according to Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem etc)?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

kossTKR wrote: post #42
hef19898 wrote: post #32

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True, let's call it Apartheid then, not much better unfortunately. Also very important to highlight that most people living in Palestine were pretty provincial and moderate farmers before being carpet bombed by settlers which has unsurprisingly lead to extremism.

Terror bombing never worked ever. What it does so, also confirmed hostorically by its biggest advocates like Sir Harris, is satisfying someones need for revenge.

Hell, this whole middle east conflict is so fucked up, I do not see any way how it will ever be resolved. And obviously, getting rid of either Israel or Palestine is absolutely no option. A shame, in a different world Israel could have become the Switzerland of the Middle East, instead religious hardliners, on both / all sides of this conflict did their utmost to prevent that.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Belopolye »

hef19898 wrote: post #29
logicchains wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

And pointing out the dire straights of Palestinians is different from supporting Hamas. The same way critizing Israel as a nation not the same thing as being anti-semitic. The whole Western media and political landscape somewhat fails to appreciate that small, but incredibly important difference lately. Heck, I am even getting Youtube propagan... I mean ads from the Israeli ministry of defence. But as the saying goes…

In this situation he tweeted something about supporting any of the actions that Hamas makes.

> But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mardifoufs »

bilekas wrote: post #22

> I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. This is the one that bothers me the most to be honest, how is this possible ? Couldn't one just claim they don't remember constantly, as it seems there is no 'probable cause' or even any traditional 'evidence'.

Even for the UK that's a bit insane.

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Post by diggan »

fullarr wrote: post #47
skrebbel wrote: post #28

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> Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Is this pretty universal or is it an American thing?

This is universal lmao And it's not just a current events thing

> This is universal lmao

It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country.

One example, Sweden:

> 23 kap. 12 § rättegångsbalken (https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K23P12S1)

> Under förhör må ej i syfte att framkalla bekännelse eller uttalande i viss riktning användas medvetet oriktiga uppgifter, löften eller förespeglingar om särskilda förmåner, hot, tvång, uttröttning eller andra otillbörliga åtgärder [...]

Meaning, the one who is doing the interrogation is not allowed to "use deliberate misrepresentation, promises or promises of special benefits, threats, coercion, hardship or other improper measures.", basically not allowed to lie.

How it works usually works out in practice, is most likely different though. I've only been to one interrogation with Swedish police and they definitely lied about a bunch of stuff.

I'm sure there are other countries where the police isn't allowed to lie either.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Laforet »

Arbitrary search and seizure at the border has been a steady feature in western countries for, like, the solid part of the past two decade. I have travelled to the USA three times during this period and during every single visit I had been pulled aside by the TSA for extra screening (SSSS). In the last 5 years or so when I return to my home country of New Zealand, I have been repeatedly searched by customs which has never happened before.

I would not be surprised at all if my name is on a list somewhere, despite me being very much inactive on social media and does not subscribe to any remotely radical ideology. Perhaps as a unmarried millennial male I just had that Unabomber vibe and must be stopped before I turn.

I do sympathize with Mr Murray , however there is really no need to act like it was a brand new development when similar stuff has been going on for pretty much my entire adult life and his recent career.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by twic »

fullarr wrote: post #30
jasonjayr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the "detained without a lawyer" thing actually true in the UK? It was my understanding in the US, that's a pretty concrete feature, and law enforcement can't actually compel you to do anything without a trip through the courts.

Google Chicago PD blacksites It's a feature they aren't afraid of ignoring

If the UK authorities are extraordinarily rendering people to Chicago, that would be quite something. Rwanda was bad enough.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by marcus_holmes »

diggan wrote: post #3

Some context: > Craig John Murray is a Scottish author, human rights campaigner, journalist, and former diplomat [...] he became a political activist, campaigning for human rights and for transparency in global politics as well as for the independence of Scotland [...] Murray was one of few people granted access to Julian Assange's extradition hearing which started in the Old Bailey on 7 September 2020. He published…

The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement.

I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him.

As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That's what they were always intended to do. The whole "terrorist" thing was a way of getting popular support for them, just like the popular fears of child abuse have been used to pass yet more police state surveillance laws.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by spydum »

Condition1952 wrote: post #13

>I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. It is a real atrocity that most devices are unable to lie for us when a wrong password is typed and create a mock profile to waste time

the only software I recall doing this was TrueCrypt?
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