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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by fullarr »

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Just an FYI

Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you

Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out.

He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to

Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bboygravity »

dangerface wrote: post #5

Every one in the uk is a Terrorist according to the Terrorism Act. We really do live in a police state here. This isn't anything new ither this has been going on for nearly 20 years now since they first implemented it with the promise they wouldn't use it to harrass protestors it was the first thing they did. The voting public have no interest in freedom.

The voting public also doesn't have any way of doing anything against this in any meaningful or efficient way.

Last I checked UK wasn't a direct democracy.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains »

refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians

Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by jasonjayr »

fullarr wrote: post #11
kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

Is the "detained without a lawyer" thing actually true in the UK? It was my understanding in the US, that's a pretty concrete feature, and law enforcement can't actually compel you to do anything without a trip through the courts.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by TheDong »

8organicbits wrote: post #6
diggan wrote: post #3

Some context: > Craig John Murray is a Scottish author, human rights campaigner, journalist, and former diplomat [...] he became a political activist, campaigning for human rights and for transparency in global politics as well as for the independence of Scotland [...] Murray was one of few people granted access to Julian Assange's extradition hearing which started in the Old Bailey on 7 September 2020. He published…

> I volunteered that I thought I understood the tweet that worried them and agreed it could have been more nuanced. This was the limitation of twitter. It was intended to refer only to the current situation within Gaza and the Palestinian people’s right of self-defence from genocide. The only clue I see is the reference to a tweet. Anyone know which tweet this could refer to? Sounds like advocating violence, with a p…

It is likely the following tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...

> I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation.

> But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mathieuh »

diggan wrote: post #9
8organicbits wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I volunteered that I thought I understood the tweet that worried them and agreed it could have been more nuanced. This was the limitation of twitter. It was intended to refer only to the current situation within Gaza and the Palestinian people’s right of self-defence from genocide. The only clue I see is the reference to a tweet. Anyone know which tweet this could refer to? Sounds like advocating violence, with a p…

Seems he has tweeted a lot about Israel/Palestine as of late, hard to know exactly which one is being referred to. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg But I couldn't find any tweet that openly calls for violence either way. Mostly seems to be reactions and criticism about Israel's ongoing killing of civilians in Gaza, which would hardly count as terrorism (edit: well, at least shouldn't).

UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman is on the very-far-right-authoritarian side of the government, and she's been very vocal in her support for Israel. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that detentions like these are at her direct instruction. Perhaps not at a "lift this guy" level, but certainly at the level of directing the authorities to step up their harassment of people.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by diggan »

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Yeah, it seems to be a very over-reaching law, as far as I can gather. From https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

> Who can be examined?

> The examining officer may only stop and question a person for the purpose of allowing a determination of whether that person appears to be someone who is or who has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of “terrorism” as defined in section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000

I guess that makes sense... But then in the end of the same paragraph:

> An examining officer may stop and question a person whether or not there are grounds for suspecting that the person is or has been concerned in terrorism.

So, essentially anyone can be examined for any reason (or no reason at all)?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kawsper »

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

At CPH:DOX this year they showed the documentary "Phantom Parrot" about human rights activist Muhammad Rabbani that was prosecuted for refusing to give up his passwords at a border crossing into the UK.

The surveillance programme, codenamed Phantom Parrot, is designed to copy the personal data of individuals at airports and border crossings.

There's a trailer for it here: https://youtu.be/8QzZteMWbww

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