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People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by dragonwriter »

codr7 wrote: post #230
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #40

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Honestly, I just find it hard to care about skin cancer all that much. I gotta die from something at some point, and I feel like covering my skin in nasty oils and stuff on every nice summer day is too much a price for me just to die from "not skin cancer". Because now every nice day is a little bit less nice. Ofc I'm a bit lucky because I can at least tan somewhat, so if I just taper up my sun exposure in the spring…

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> Fact: There was no such thing as skin cancer before we started rubbing toxic crap like aluminum into our skin to "avoid it".

Recognizable descriptions of malignant melanoma date back to at least Hippocrates.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

thr-nrg wrote: post #37

I fully intend to kill myself eventually. The idea that I should prolong my life past the point where I get dementia, a degenerative disease, or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass is repugnant enough that I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together. Much better to die cheaply with a wonderful cocktail of opiates while watching a…

> or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass

I hope you fully intend to continue exercising, and taking precautions against accidents, as the first line of defense against such a possibility.

> I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together.

I just don't want the state being the entity that approves or disapproves of your suicide. If you're going to have an assisted suicide I want it to be, at most, through a clandestine network of people who want to kill themselves. Not through a government process.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

cedws wrote: post #103
martindbp wrote: post #41

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Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.

>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…

Sounds like the problem is that you went and tied yourself down with a spouse and children when they weren't at the top of your life goals.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by slibhb »

kstenerud wrote: post #161
s1artibartfast wrote: post #156

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Nobody is saying it's easy or that people are invalid here.

ChrisMarshallNY is sitting in judgment of the fellow in Holland who made use of the euthanasia laws there. Specifically: "I find it doubly tragic, as there are proven alternative solutions" (judgment) "I personally know many people that were once far worse off than that gentleman, and are now doing quite well" (justification that invalidates the man's suffering) "Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experien…

The idea that any posts in this thread "invalidate's this man's suffering" is hyperbole.

Anyway, what's wrong with judgement? Despite some people's insistence on it being taboo, there's nothing wrong with judging other people's behavior.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #153
theowaway44 wrote: post #56

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As I'm getting older (mid 40s), I have a different view now than before. I've seen people die in real life, and it was horrific. Even in hospital beds with morphine drips. I don't want to die in agony, or slowly suffocating as many do. I'll end it before it goes too far. I think more people should actually go to hospitals and see how real people die, instead of the comforting movie version where the family is gathere…

I mean you need to be a citizen of a country where that is possible, right?

No. Switzerland allows suicide 'tourism'.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

worrycue wrote: post #80
gwd wrote: post #4

"...what is it we need but more life? What does the infant need but more life? What does the bosom of his mother give him but life in abundance? What does the old man need, whose limbs are weak and whose pulse is low, but more of the life which seems ebbing from him? Weary with feebleness, he calls upon death, but in reality it is life he wants. It is but the encroaching death in him that desires death. He longs for…

> What does the old man need, whose limbs are weak and whose pulse is low, but more of the life which seems ebbing from him? The old man needs health and life. Without health, life would just be a tortured existence and at some point "enough is enough".* * It doesn't help that for many old people, all their friends are also gone. Without their social circle, it's one less reason to hang around.

"Adults aged 75 and older have one of the highest suicide rates (20.3 per 100,000). Men aged 75 and older have the highest rate (42.2 per 100,000) compared to other age groups." [1]

1. https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/disparities-in-suicide.htm...

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

cedws wrote: post #103
martindbp wrote: post #41

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Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.

>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…

> You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family.

My jobs have gotten less suckier as I've gotten older. And with experience (and, rarely, more savings) I have more options. Yes, I could quit if I want.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by colineartheta »

laratied wrote: post #189
cedws wrote: post #103

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>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…

You will get a ton of denial about this but you aren't wrong. On the other hand it is really easy to not get married and not have kids. Then the equation is quite different. 40s and 50s isn't all that different than 22. I would even say better in most ways. Your vision of marriage is even kind of romantic still. The married guys I know it is more like depression because of separation and knowing the wife is fucking a…

This reads comically incel-ish. “Women know their value”, like a self-respecting man doesn’t? Why aren’t your male friends doing the same thing, then? Life doesn’t end at 40, for either sex. With/without a family, married/divorced, the choice to develop and grow as a human is always your own.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

TheCleric wrote: post #231
laratied wrote: post #162

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Same here. I fear the random nature of a heart attack even more. My ideal is almost to take enough water into the woods to starve in the woods. To really stare my death in the face and experience it slowly. Clinging to life in a nursing home is a fate worse than death to me. I am sure this all depends on having kids or not. Being child free gives many more options.

This is something I have thought about, but recently have paid attention to stories that seem to be along these lines, such as Gordon Kaye in Great Smokies National Park. While this may seem like a simple way, it seems like it wastes hundreds of people's time that could be spent helping people who are actually wanting help.

> While this may seem like a simple way, it seems like it wastes hundreds of people's time

You could just leave a note or email.

> that could be spent helping people who are actually wanting help.

How many of those people were going to help others otherwise?

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by phonescreen_man »

cesaref wrote: post #113
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #66

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Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.

I've always found it interesting that addictive behaviour is often seen as a virtue by our society if it's about the 'right sort of thing' (as far as society is concerned). We end up considering people as 'dedicated' or 'committed' to some cause or other. If they are a workaholic, or pious, or a sports superstar, or a concert pianist, chances are there is an addictive personality that just happens to have gotten atta…

No such thing as an addictive personality- it was invented by the pharmaceutical companies (the term) to play down the addictive effects of their drugs, doctors were told only people with addictive personalities will get hooked on the opioids
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