Shawshank Redemption has a great line: 'Get busy living, or get busy dying.' Act - even taking a walk can make a difference.
People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
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Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Should people quote DFW as an authority given his suicide? A very good writer who committed suicide is probably a great person from whose experience we might learn, especially since they expressed what might be their internal anguish so eloquently.
He might only teach as a counter-example. He may be advocating for highly dysfunctional irrational thinking patterns that leads to suicide. They might be convincing, seductive and dangerous and should only be responsibly presented with clear context and challenge.
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Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In others, like this one[0], I find it doubly tragic, as there are proven alternative solutions "eight years of help and 21 stints in rehab" sounds like they tried pretty hard to find a better solution. Not everyone can be cured.
Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.
I've always found it interesting that addictive behaviour is often seen as a virtue by our society if it's about the 'right sort of thing' (as far as society is concerned).
We end up considering people as 'dedicated' or 'committed' to some cause or other. If they are a workaholic, or pious, or a sports superstar, or a concert pianist, chances are there is an addictive personality that just happens to have gotten attached to a socially acceptable pursuit.
Meanwhile, the same people with a slight twist of fate end up in rehab.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.
>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…
'family weighing you down' if that's how you'd see family at 40 sure
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.
>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…
Nobody forces you to live like that. I'm 39 and not one point hits the mark for me. :D
While true that it's harder to get social connections it's far from impossible; in the end you just need to go out and meet new people doing things alone sometimes. On the other hand I have much more money, thus can actually travel when/how I want, compared to my 20s, and could probably quit my job in the next decade, if I want to.
Overall it's different to some degree, but in sum I'd say I enjoy life much more than in my 20s nowadays. Doubt that changes until I start to get sick(er) in my 50s/60s.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#116at lowest for me it was normal to be in bed for 16-20 hours a day in agonizing pain and horrific migraines. Dozens of doctor appointments had mostly been a waste. They all claimed it was anxiety. Realized one morning that I had spent hours thinking how wonderful it would be to never wake up again. Have kids, and the would end up in state care without me. (No family capable of caring for them) Started trying every sug…
What/was is the cause of the pain and migraines? What triggered the fix, if you know? (The transition from bed to a kayak)
Underlying causes. Autoimmune Sjogrens, clotting disorder that was in over drive (factor 5) high cranial pressure(IIH)
Nerve damage(probably from Sjogrens) lot Vit D
Did an elimination diet. That calmed the body down. AIP diet to maintain.
Started high doses of Vit D, E, Omega 3. Started watching bob and Brad and spent a couple hours a day on stretching and massages. Discovered and treated TMJ. Removing smells and lights. That got migraines under control. (Slow reduction over the months)
LDN got nerve pain under control.
Diamox to get head pressure under control.
The big one was I kept having stroke symptoms, but MRIs were clean. Started blood thinners and symptoms went away.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.
I've always found it interesting that addictive behaviour is often seen as a virtue by our society if it's about the 'right sort of thing' (as far as society is concerned). We end up considering people as 'dedicated' or 'committed' to some cause or other. If they are a workaholic, or pious, or a sports superstar, or a concert pianist, chances are there is an addictive personality that just happens to have gotten atta…
Worth pointing out. I know of a person who was a workaholic and then died pretty young from also having been a secret alcoholic for much of their life.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#118I fully intend to kill myself eventually. The idea that I should prolong my life past the point where I get dementia, a degenerative disease, or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass is repugnant enough that I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together. Much better to die cheaply with a wonderful cocktail of opiates while watching a…
As I'm getting older (mid 40s), I have a different view now than before. I've seen people die in real life, and it was horrific. Even in hospital beds with morphine drips. I don't want to die in agony, or slowly suffocating as many do. I'll end it before it goes too far. I think more people should actually go to hospitals and see how real people die, instead of the comforting movie version where the family is gathere…
As helpful as it can be in some respects to project oneself into a future time and circumstance, humans are often bad a predicting how they would decide on serious matters until they actually find themselves in that situation. This is particularly true in cases where quality of life is at issue.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#119A health care system that often ignores quality of life should be considered a public health problem, not suicides themselves.
Sometimes the suicides are justified because of diminishing quality of life. That's the whole point of assisted suicide.
The author is a click-bait-y pop psychologist whose other articles don't seem very thoughtful, so I should not have expected much of this.
https://english.elpais.com/author/daniel-mediavilla-gonzalez...
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Should people quote DFW as an authority given his suicide? A very good writer who committed suicide is probably a great person from whose experience we might learn, especially since they expressed what might be their internal anguish so eloquently.
He might only teach as a counter-example. He may be advocating for highly dysfunctional irrational thinking patterns that leads to suicide. They might be convincing, seductive and dangerous and should only be responsibly presented with clear context and challenge.
He's trying to share what the experience is like to promote empathy, so that suicide can be better understood by those with less personal experience with it. He's not advocating for people to commit suicide, just for ways to engage with the problem that doesn't further isolate and other those who are suffering.