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Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by FooBarWidget »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #93
moffkalast wrote: post #56

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Perhaps staying inside the network is more common in the US, but from a European perspective it's unlikely for a device to stay at one provider at all times. Half the time you're roaming at another network due to missing towers or if you drive 100km and end up in a different country you won't see your original provider at all until you return. As such, all networks must support all devices for the system to retain so…

I'm fairly certain European networks can deny roaming at any time to any specific out-of network phone without giving a formal reason.

Not so in Netherlands. All networks accept out-of-network phones. I also never had any problems in Germany, Belgium, France or UK.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by Fnoord »

edent wrote: post #45
moffkalast wrote: post #43

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The way I see it, this just moves the responsibility for safety to the manufacturers instead of the network. It's on the specific company then to provide adequate QA for their firmware before they release updates, or it reflects badly on them. This fiasco for example, tells me to never buy a Google phone since they apparently don't test their devices properly. I'm not sure why it would be on the network to test devic…

Most people buy their phone from a network provider / carrier. And when someone goes wrong, customers complain to the network - not the manufacturer. That's why networks test firmware. Because they face the complaints and chargebacks when the phone breaks. Mobile networks are, in effect, private networks. Your employer may prohibit certain devices from connecting to their in-office LAN. Or they may insist on specific…

> Most people buy their phone from a network provider / carrier.

In USA perhaps, the mobile telcos are powerful there, yes. Which is why Nokia never got popular there.

Here in EU, its gone down. Especially here in NL.

> And when someone goes wrong, customers complain to the network - not the manufacturer.

If they bought it at the mobile telco; of course. I mean, they bought it from that store, not the manufacturer.

If I buy my smartphone at Amazon, Amazon is inclined to give me support. At least, that's how the law works here in NL, YMMV.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by error503 »

alistairSH wrote: post #194
jpollock wrote: post #192

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Probably related to [1]: "The FCC requires that providers of interconnected VoIP telephone services using the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) meet Enhanced 911 (E911) obligations. E911 systems automatically provide emergency service personnel with a 911 caller's call-back number and, in most cases, location information. To reduce possible risks to public safety, the FCC requires interconnected VoIP providers…

From a user perspective, I think I’d expect one of two things on a cell-phone… - Teams (or other 3rd party) isn’t allowed to make telephone calls. The phone provides this service. Teams can continue making voice “calls” to other Teams users, it just can’t initiate telephone calls via PSTN. - Teams (or other 3rd party) is allowed to take over calling duties from base software. But, only one call handling system can be…

The obvious prevalent use case is adding a business / work line via your company's VoIP provider to your personal handset (or a company one, for that matter). I'm sure this is very common, and I have both done and supported it at multiple employers. Personally I have also in the past used VoIP accounts for cheap long distance, but I maintain a cellular service for reliability with local calls.

Having this functionality integrate with the OS is much handier than the clunkiness of dealing with individual apps, and this idea of replaceable parts is a key advantage of Android in general.

Emergency calls probably warrant special care and maybe more rigid handling, I will grant, but there's no reason not to support this in general.

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Post by Shaanie »

surfpel wrote: post #222
hilbert42 wrote: post #147

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"The way I see it, this just moves the responsibility for safety to the manufacturers instead of the network." Perhaps so in the current circumstances, but ultimately it is the responsibly of the regulators to ensure the emergency numbers work. As witnessed here, a number of commentators seem to have forgotten that their smartphones are first and foremost are telephones and not playtoy computers. Unfortunately, the c…

This is such an uncontroversial take, I’m really surprised to see it get so downvoted on HN. I upgraded my phone the day after it froze when I tried to make a call. I never want to be in a situation where I can’t make an emergency call. That’s sortof the whole point of a “TELEPHONE”??

Because for many (probably the vast majority) it's not true. Their smartphone is first and foremost a portable computer. The ability to make calls is secondary.

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Post by nvr219 »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #153
nvr219 wrote: post #99

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What app did they remove that you used?

Fortnite is another good example, or a native build of Firefox with its own rendering engine, or video game emulators..

I thought firefox with its own engine never got in in the first place

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Post by emeril »

ipdashc wrote: post #238
cesarb wrote: post #237

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> I think a modern smartphone is a portable network computer/camera/sensor-package, with the telephone bit being something like the human appendix. A modern smartphone is a convergence of two devices: a PDA and a cell phone (this is more obvious with older devices like the Palm Treo 650). Once the telephone bit is no longer relevant (probably replaced by a data-only cellular modem), it will go back to being just a PD…

> (probably replaced by a data-only cellular modem) Isn't this kind of already the case? I thought past 4G there were no separate channels for call audio, it was effectively just VoIP

pretty sure that call audio gets much better prioritization for low latency (though at relatively low bandwidth) than higher bandwidth non-voice data?

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Post by emeril »

wpietri wrote: post #220
cmeacham98 wrote: post #212

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"Making calls" isn't a feature phones compete on - it either works or it doesn't, and I hope a review would let me know if calling was defective on a phone. Otherwise, there's no point in including information on making calls - it's a basic feature everybody who buys a phone expects to have. It's a bit like saying "most car reviews don't review whether the car stays still when parked in a garage or not!"

That's just not the case. Phone audio quality varies significantly between smartphone models due to variations in speaker, mic, and noise reduction. And that's before we get to fancier things like Wi-Fi Calling and HD Voice. The whole reason I was looking for that in reviews is that people had a hard time hearing me when I called from my previous cellphone, and I also noticed that some people I was talking to had muc…

pro-tip - use a headset (ideally corded) and call people using facetime audio on ios as most professionals, at least in the US, have an iphone

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Post by macintux »

Marsymars wrote: post #146
macintux wrote: post #110

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If Microsoft has a penchant for hiring people passionate about hating the world that would explain a lot of their software over the years.

If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life. There are businesses running on software that makes Teams look like a paragon of performance, stability and user-focused UI/UX.

> If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life.

I've used much worse, almost always enterprise software.

That doesn't excuse Microsoft, but ultimately I just make sure my personal life and my jobs stay as far away from their software as I can.

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Post by simfree »

gonehome wrote: post #145
aaomidi wrote: post #63

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We saw the bloat as the end user.

Scott Forstall also talks about this: https://youtu.be/F3Pl8GmKtW8 Basically part of the reason Apple went with AT&T was they were the only carrier willing to let them control the user/feature layer of the stack. The other telecoms would have this giant requirement document they dictated to handset manufacturers - which is why your crappy Motorola flip phone had three way calling buried 7 menus deep that nobody could…

This is what Apple claims, but what I heard back at AT&T was Apple demanded full payment for every sold device up front from AT&T, meanwhile every other vendor was providing multi-year financing.

AT&T had much worse commissions for selling iPhones than new lines for a reason. Meanwhile, Verizon, Sprint & T-Mobile played the long game and waited to sign volume commits and financing terms with Apple.

The carrier specific iPad financing promos where they sell you a tablet well below cost (even factoring in the 2 year data plan cost) is a situation created by these minimum volume commits.

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