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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by vegardx »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #195
vegardx wrote: post #178

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The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. Just because all flights are fully booked doens't mean millions are willing to or able to move. And what gas? Currently Russia is exporting a negligible amount of gas to western countries. They played that card a long time ago. It's almost comical to talk about foresight and Russia in the same sentence without even acknowledging how blind Putin has ha…

> It's almost comical to talk about foresight and Russia in the same sentence I don't think our benchmark for foresight should be an aging dictator thats probably loosing his mind. > The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. What is the basis for this assertion? You could say 'we don't want them here', at least it would be honest. But let's not pretend they had every opportunity to leave and…

I don't blame neighbouring countries for not wanting an influx of Russians to their countries, even though most of them wouldn't want to have anything to do with the current Russian government. That has been used by the Russian government as an excuse for occupation and annexation so many times it's starting to be ridiculous.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by sharikous »

saiya-jin wrote: post #158
willsmith72 wrote: post #64

This is really going to screw Russia for generations. Every young Russian I know has either already left, plans to leave, or has to stay but hates their leader. You don't get your country to turn into a superpower by losing the most educated and skilled of the young generations. I only hope as things get more desperate he doesn't feel trapped lash out with the nukes.

That's beauty of being sociopathic dictator - you don't need to care about reality of those pesky humans that are under you, you can massage your massive ego with grand plans matching it. You have your billion dollar palaces and hundreds of billions stolen distributed throughout the world via thousands of cronies. If skilled intelligent people leave? Good, more loyal and easy to manipulate remain. People are dying in…

> If skilled intelligent people leave? Good, more loyal and easy to manipulate remain

That's true of most dictatorships but actually Putin always kept skilled professionals in his entourage (to the chagrin of the nationalistic bunch that despised this policy and those pesky liberals, often Jews). Now obviously this is changing but because of bigger issues.

If/when Putin falls, if Russia remains, the people who will govern Russia will probably be the hyper nationalists that are much less intelligent than Putin and will be much worse for the population. Unfortunately this is going to be bad for those living there.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

bjourne wrote: post #103

Can someone Russian explain what on earth they are thinking? Russia appears to have 10x the casualties as Ukraine, soldiers that doesn't really want to fight, and are currently losing. Yet the leaders think it is a good idea to keep the war going? To me it seems that with the material Ukraine is receiving from the West they will easily retake all territory Russia has occupied.

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by pjc50 »

sharikous wrote: post #230
_0w8t wrote: post #188

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I mostly agree with you, but Kharkiv collapse was not that big. While Russia abandoned a lot of equipment there, they managed to withdraw most of it and the vast majority of troops. It looks like after the initial Ukrainian breakthrough Russian generals managed to convince Putin to abandon most of Kharkiv and focus on Donbas instead. At Bakhmut Russia did made small but meaningful progress with Ukrainian sources repo…

> Bakhmut is the last Ukrainian line in Donbas There are a lot of other lines, e.g. near Donetsk. And with the time it is taking for the Russians to advance there is plenty of time for the Ukrainians to set up other lines. > Kharkiv collapse was not that big It removed the last hope the Russian had to take the fortifications you mention from behind, descending from the north. Now the Russians are just throwing everyt…

> Such a direct involvement of foreign superpowers was not seen even in the Syrian Civil War.

Russia and NATO Turkey have both been engaged in Syria. This led to a Russian incursion into Turkey being shot down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shoo...

I can see why the West was so reluctant to get involved in Syria given the failures of Iraq and Afghanistan, but I do wonder if more decisive action of some kind against Russia's involvement, or their shootdown of a passenger jet, or the Salisbury poisonings, might have discouraged the invasion of Ukraine in the first place.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by dzhiurgis »

_ph_ wrote: post #201
dzhiurgis wrote: post #189

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> In any long-range fight, being able to locate your enemy is key; the pentagons ability to identify the location of Russian positions appears to be unsurpassed. Just what Russians are waiting. HIMARS flying over Ukrainian border into Russia and Balarus. Get some other allies involved, declare it a WW3 as pretext to invade Baltics.

No, Russia isn't waiting for a reason to invade the Baltic states. If they wanted, they could have come up with it any time. However, that would mean a war with NATO, which they couldn't possibly win. So far they are struggling badly with the few modern weapons delivered by the NATO to Ukraine.

They are obviously provoking NATO for some unclear reason. Well it is pretty clear - annex any land possible - by hook or by crook.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by mistermann »

mrtksn wrote: post #216
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #213

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> It's bizarre and I don't see anything special about Russia TBH. It's just that they seem to be ahead of the west in the direction the world is headed. On the contrary, they seem to be a century behind. Even China told them they should try to find a diplomatic solution. India told them this is not the time for war. The world has other problems than an old man's ambitions.

Apparently not, lives have been shattered because old mens ambitions since ever. Europeans and British can no longer live and work in their respective countries because of old mens ambitions. Because of old mens ambitions large number of Americans no longer believe in democratic elections. Because of old mens ambitions countless people have died in the middle east and other places. What Russia is ahead of is that the…

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by tim333 »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #154

A few months ago analysts were warning of impending collapse of Russia's troops due to poor supplies and poor morale. Russian cheerleaders on HN were doubting it as Western propaganda saying it had been declared for months and not materialized. Well it materialized in the collapse of the Kharkiv front over a week so there's that. In all, I don't think the mobilization is likely to matter. The Russian problem is bad s…

Using nukes would be unlikely to go well for Russia. The Ukrainian troops are pretty spread out so setting off a nuke would only take out a few and in response the west would probably do bad stuff to Russia, quite likely US non nuclear air strikes which could wipe out much of the Russian forces.

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Post by the_gipsy »

yodsanklai wrote: post #226
the_gipsy wrote: post #130

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Macron tried, but other european leaders have their heads stuck in their arse (cater only to their own bubble). USA is happy to sell arms and undermine european and russian economies.

> Macron tried Not sure what he tried exactly. He talked to Putin, but did he bring anything to the table?

He cannot bring what Zelenski won't even consider.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by _kbh_ »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #189
danielheath wrote: post #77

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Nukes are a possibility, but MAD has stopped us all using them for many years so far. As far as conventional arms go: Russia has quite a few planes, tanks, and artillery; however, so long as the USA wills it, the Ukraine will have more anti-air missiles, more anti-tank munitions, and more long-range rockets. In any long-range fight, being able to locate your enemy is key; the pentagons ability to identify the locatio…

> In any long-range fight, being able to locate your enemy is key; the pentagons ability to identify the location of Russian positions appears to be unsurpassed. Just what Russians are waiting. HIMARS flying over Ukrainian border into Russia and Balarus. Get some other allies involved, declare it a WW3 as pretext to invade Baltics.

> Just what Russians are waiting. HIMARS flying over Ukrainian border into Russia and Balarus. Get some other allies involved, declare it a WW3 as pretext to invade Baltics.

How does Russia plan to take the Baltics when they cannot even take a city less them 300km from their border in 6 months?.

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