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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by cstrat »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #205
twhb wrote: post #170

This was inevitable. If you’re leaking the info that you’re using a proxy, it’ll eventually be used by people who want to. One solution is a traditional webmail provider being willing to reuse that primary user domain for forwarding addresses. There are two that I know of doing this, Fastmail with @fastmail.com and Apple with @icloud.com. These domains probably won’t ever be blacklisted, because you’d also blacklist…

Fastmail is excellent. They have subdomain addressing, which is kind of like plus addressing, but better (not all places let you sign up with plus addressing). I've got my own domain, for example: mydomain.com. So my fastmail email address is depingus@mydomain.com. But with subdomain addressing, I can sign up for services with unique email addresses that look like: social.hackernews@depingus.mydomain.com Fastmail wil…

I did the same thing a few years back, I love it. It has allowed me to find where my emails are being leaked. So far not too many which is good, the biggest and worst were ledger and instagram.

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Post by tmitech »

lategloriousgnu wrote: post #162
sahkopoyta wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really get this. Where do you draw the line between disposable and non-disposable email? What prevents anyone from creating @gmail.com addresses?

You need a valid phone number to create a gmail account, and you can only have a few accounts attached to the same number. Google is "trusted" because they actively try to prevent spammers from joining their platform. Disposable email platforms don't, they let you create as many as you like.

>You need a valid phone number to create a gmail account

This is 100% not true. Yes, the main site will require it, but there are legacy "portals" that allow signup without a phone number. No, I won't link to said portal.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

ravenstine wrote: post #106
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

Yup. Sign up for a trial of something and suddenly you're getting 3 emails a day. --- "Ravenstine, kick your goals into overdrive now" "Check this feature out!" "We're the best, but don't take our word for it" "Your account is waiting for you" "This will be like money in your pocket" "Don't miss out on our webinar" "The gift that keeps on giving" "It's been a while..." "So this is goodbye, Ravenstine?" --- F--- YOU!…

Or even if you didn't sign up.. I get constant emails from sales people that must have farmed my LinkedIn or something, even though I have it pretty strictly protected. Often even having scheduled a call with me without my consent. Usually for solutions I have absolutely nothing to do with if they'd actually taken the time to look at my profile.

Of course I mark them as spam and blacklist them. I often see followups months later in my trash box. It makes me feel good at least having wasted some of their time.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

littlestymaar wrote: post #227
boomboomsubban wrote: post #192

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The DMCA doesn't handle trademark, and if a link to a site counts as trademark infringement the internet is dead.

> The DMCA doesn't handle trademark That's a good point > and if a link to a site counts as trademark infringement the internet is dead. It's not a “link to a site” though, it's a public blacklist of domains involved in spam and abuse. I have no idea about how the US trademark laws work,but in my country at least (France), doing so is a great way to get sued by the company. (And yes, this also applies to product revi…

That ruling only shows that the courts have the right to hear that international case, I'd guess whether the comments were derogatory will take a while longer.

Either way, there are few parallels between moderating a users potentially false comments and correctly labeling a site as a disposable email domain.

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Post by cardiffspaceman »

Karunamon wrote: post #148
Nextgrid wrote: post #143

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I'm curious - I see on your profile that you're a DevOps engineer presumably using a lot of online services on a daily basis, so what approach do you use to deal with email that would justify your opinion here? Do you just let it fill up your inbox and essentially make it unusable as it's saturated with marketing spam? Do you read every single incoming email (if so how do you find time and how do you justify spending…

> so what approach do you use to deal with email that would justify your opinion here? When I get email I don't want from a company I have an account with, I scroll to the bottom and click 'unsubscribe'. I then don't get anymore of those kinds of emails. What I absolutely do not do is throw a hissy fit and click 'report spam' (which not fucks up my own bayes classifiers and makes false positives more likely, but send…

I have had enough experience with unsubscribe on spam that I have to wonder what your figures are for "working well enough". They don't work enough for me. It is also a well-known assumption that using unsubscribe on a bit of spam only confirms that the sender has found a working address and those sell for more on the spammer's email address market.

I also don't understand why "marketers" want to put stuff in my email inbox or anything else I use to receive real communications that I just don't want.

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Post by easrng »

lethologica wrote: post #194
rubyfan wrote: post #178

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I recently found a burner phone number relay service for this reason. Anyone that wants your personal info is almost always user hostile.

Could you please share the name of this services I’ve been looking for something similar.

https://jmp.chat looks nice

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Post by [deleted] »

commoner wrote: post #23
ttul wrote: post #18

Cloudflare should offer disposable addresses on your own domain. One click enablement. Why not.

Cloudflare does have an email routing service: https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-email-routing/ However, disposable email addresses on a domain that you personally own can still be profiled by the domain name. Services like Firefox Relay try to preserve anonymity by sharing the domain name(s) among all users, the same way VPNs share IP addresses among their users.

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Post by easrng »

AnonC wrote: post #55
johnklos wrote: post #25

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Because Cloudflare are abusive, money-driven and monopolistic, perhaps?

Could you expand on the “abusive” part? I get the other two to an extent since it’s a for-profit company.

Sure, just talk to me at [email protected]

Jokes aside, they're awful to Tor users (Infinite captchas), and break sites on anything not running JS.

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