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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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I recently found a burner phone number relay service for this reason. Anyone that wants your personal info is almost always user hostile.

Could you please share the name of this services I’ve been looking for something similar.

I used one in the past actually called burner (burnerapp.com). Did not work every time though.

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Yup. Sign up for a trial of something and suddenly you're getting 3 emails a day. --- "Ravenstine, kick your goals into overdrive now" "Check this feature out!" "We're the best, but don't take our word for it" "Your account is waiting for you" "This will be like money in your pocket" "Don't miss out on our webinar" "The gift that keeps on giving" "It's been a while..." "So this is goodbye, Ravenstine?" --- F--- YOU!…

I've just started marking these as spam. Not worth my time to go through their unsubscribe flow so they can try to trick me into not actually unsubscribing

I think that's completely appropriate. Any unwanted email is spam.

I hate to admit this, but we send a lot of email like this at work, and I always get tickets like "all of our email is being marked as spam, can you fix DNS?" Usually it is a DNS issue (people add email senders without setting up Spam Permitted From and DKIM), but nobody will address the elephant in the room that maybe users don't want to read our marketing newsletters. They likely get 100 of the same things from 100 other vendors, and at some point, enough is enough.

(Dunno if this is a public Gmail feature or one that I'm allowlisted into from working at Google in the past, but I have a "tabbed inbox" and everything like this goes in "Promotions". I look in there from time to time and see thousands of messages a day of this type. Everyone sends these and Gmail knows that nobody wants to read them. It's unfortunate, but true.)

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

> We don’t sell any data. Not only do I have zero reason to trust you when you say that (because every person planning on selling my data ways the same thing). But I also have zero reason to trust you're skilled or resourced enough to adequately secure my data (or have sufficient motivation to do so). And I also know that one day you'll likely sell your SAAS, and will have no control over what the people you sell it…

I signed up for a KVM hosting provider. They initially rejected my account because I used a "disposable" email address. Their experience is that use of disposable email addresses is highly correlated to use of their VM instances to send spam or carry out other hostile activities.

That explantion was acceptable to me; if it works for them. I might note that they only send me transactional email (statement of charges for the month) and no marketing.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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I recently found a burner phone number relay service for this reason. Anyone that wants your personal info is almost always user hostile.

Could you please share the name of this services I’ve been looking for something similar.

Silent[.]link offers US based eSims, with a real number for inbound texts and data plan. I haven’t tried it directly but initial reviews seemed promising.

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At that point we'd be better of figuring out a proper protocol that allows websites to talk to the password manager directly.

Don't we already have that with WebAuthn? It should be possible for the authentication request to be directed to the password manager. Less secure than using a hardware key, but more secure than password, email, or text message authentication.

That looks like it could work, though I don't think it has a lot of support from either password managers or websites.

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Couldn't Mozilla just send a DMCA notice for trademark infringement?

The DMCA doesn't handle trademark, and if a link to a site counts as trademark infringement the internet is dead.

> The DMCA doesn't handle trademark

That's a good point

> and if a link to a site counts as trademark infringement the internet is dead.

It's not a “link to a site” though, it's a public blacklist of domains involved in spam and abuse. I have no idea about how the US trademark laws work,but in my country at least (France), doing so is a great way to get sued by the company. (And yes, this also applies to product reviews posted on say Amazon or Tripadvisor[1])

[1]: https://www.votre-reputation.com/2021/01/20/denigrement-sur-...

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Fastmail has "masked emails" with 1Password subscription. You can generate the emails out of fly. I use specific email aliases. I don't think the 1Password subscription makes any sense, but I am willing to support BitWarden. It works well while protecting my real email account. Why use Mozilla services?

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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I recently found a burner phone number relay service for this reason. Anyone that wants your personal info is almost always user hostile.

Could you please share the name of this services I’ve been looking for something similar.

I almost built my own with Twilio but decided to search first and was surprised to find a service called Burner App.

Seems to do the job and fairly priced given what I know about what it costs to acquire a phone number via Twilio.

The downside is limited set of numbers vs. iCloud+ creating a brand new email every time I register on a website.

https://www.burnerapp.com/

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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if you're having issues with disposable emails, you need to either add phone verification or make it so people can try your service (or view prices!) without signing up

phone verification sucks, though. I refuse to use anything that has it mandatorily. And disposable emails are also a problem because of spam.

Yeah I'm the same way, unless I -really- need the service like the place work or my bank, they don't get my phone number.
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