> Drinks for instance cost us more than at the grocery store — but we can’t exactly go get 20 cases of pop per day, so we don’t have much choice. I didn't understand this. It may not be feasible to buy 100 cases of pop at a regular grocery store, but isn't Costco/Sam's Club set up for that? I do think it comes down ultimately to real estate prices. Major metros in North America have gradually become unaffordable for…
> All that profit margin is ending up in landlords' pockets. The landlord's costs go up, too.
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#242Quit whining about how your restaurant is going to die, you knew about the crap margins going into the restaurant business in the first place. Everyone is fucked. This is life.
You know it doesn't cost much to be a bit nice to other humans...
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#243I'm starting to think commercial landlords need some competition from local governments. They could create a privately-run charter corporation that rents out small amounts of space to local businesses. Not rent control, but reasonable terms (3-6 month leases, instead of 10-year leases). There is too much NIMBYism and too many middlemen and archaic expectations in real estate for any mom and pop business to be viable.
> There is too much NIMBYism
If you could get rid of the NIMBYism, then the commercial landlords would compete with each other.
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#244If we want convenience and scale, we need more cafeteria style restaurants. Everything is cooked in bulk, you walk in and choose visually what you want. This is very popular in post Soviet countries. There doesn’t need to be a compromise on quality and taste either. Maybe presentation only. Won’t be able to get an instagram shot out of the cafeteria portion. Analogous to that are food markets in South East Asian coun…
Isn't this just a buffet?
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want small restaurants as much as I want shoe makers instead of automated Nike factories. The way forward is not by enabling people who can serve 500 people/day to exist when we can have a robot serving 5,000. We want automation, we want people doing what they choose to do because we've automated away things they had to do, such as work for a living. The way to get there is more automation. Restaurant cooks/servers…
We have this today - McDonald’s, Chipotle, Jimmy John’s, Dominos, etc. Sure there are some humans, but there is also an optimized supply chain and in the case of McDonald’s, a fair bit of automation. > Restaurant cooks/servers are the equivalent of hand washing clothes Both are a skilled trade. Can you not tell the difference between the best meal you’ve ever eaten at a restaurant and a cup of fried cheese balls from…
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#246> Drinks for instance cost us more than at the grocery store — but we can’t exactly go get 20 cases of pop per day, so we don’t have much choice. I didn't understand this. It may not be feasible to buy 100 cases of pop at a regular grocery store, but isn't Costco/Sam's Club set up for that? I do think it comes down ultimately to real estate prices. Major metros in North America have gradually become unaffordable for…
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#247> Drinks for instance cost us more than at the grocery store — but we can’t exactly go get 20 cases of pop per day, so we don’t have much choice. I didn't understand this. It may not be feasible to buy 100 cases of pop at a regular grocery store, but isn't Costco/Sam's Club set up for that? I do think it comes down ultimately to real estate prices. Major metros in North America have gradually become unaffordable for…
> All that profit margin is ending up in landlords' pockets. The landlord's costs go up, too.
This is what killed retail in the UK. Amazon certainly made a difference, but given a choice, some people actually enjoy mall shopping and eating.
But between huge hikes in business rates (commercial operating taxes) and rent increases, retail simply isn't as profitable as it was in the 90s.
The rent increases are pure greed and predatory extraction. There certainly hasn't been any correspondingly huge explosion of costs for landlords.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want small restaurants as much as I want shoe makers instead of automated Nike factories. The way forward is not by enabling people who can serve 500 people/day to exist when we can have a robot serving 5,000. We want automation, we want people doing what they choose to do because we've automated away things they had to do, such as work for a living. The way to get there is more automation. Restaurant cooks/servers…
Great restaurants are like art, in the eyes of patrons and creators. They will continue to find each other among the robotic masses.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the passion argument is that valuable. For a LOT of people programming is their passion. Yet they command some of the highest salaries. The labor market doesn't care about passion. It will settle where it needs to based on demand and supply.
May I introduce you to the video games industry? While there are good paying jobs out there, I'd risk saying the vast majority of people working in games are hugely underpaid. At my first job I was literally told "yeah the pay is crap, but you get to work on big titles so it's fine". And it's not just demand and supply - we're having a very hard time recruiting for senior positions as there just aren't any candidates…
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#250Therefore, this makes it less likely that there is a paradise lost of high restaurant margins we can return to, and more likely that some fundamental parameters that make the economic equilibrium of restaurant margins really low.
A guess for these parameters include:
- High competition: there are dozens if not hundreds of different restaurants I could walk to in 10 minutes (living in a US city).
- Low barriers to entry: a good minority of the population can learn how to operate an okay restaurant.
- A lot of owners get "passion utility" out of running a restaurant -- this means they are willing to be paid less in cash.
- Lastly but maybe most importantly, incredibly price sensitive customers. Just like the retailing industry, individuals are incredibly brutal about price. We can exhort day and night about the bad practices of Amazon, Walmart, boycott country X, but at the end of the day price wins. The author here is making a "boycott low margins" appeal which doesn't seem practical.
Restaurants will re-equilibriate. Likely a bunch will go out of business sadly. If social distancing requires there to be fewer customers, and customers are more cautious and eat out less, the bright side of the thin margins is that the restaurants will just pass this cost onto the customers since the ones that don't will be out of business.
Since all restaurants will automatically cost more resources (square foot per customer, overhead) to operate, they will have a common force uniting their upward push in prices too.
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2014/06/22/us-restaur...