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EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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I’ve ordered them, they work.

Counterfeit [lots of things] work, that doesn't negate the point. "If Rolex's cost $6,000+, how come I can buy one in the Bronx for $20?" "It's probably not real." "I bought it, it works."

It’s a cable. Having a genuine Apple certified cable means no more than buying a cheap HDMI cable instead of the $50 Monster cable back in the day.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22204605

The rule was in place ten years ago. That's why every other manufacturer ships USB now, and even Apple puts USB on one side of their charger cord in malicious compliance.

iPhones have charged via USB since the first model.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Apple is already using USB-C on the bit that plugs into the wall, so if that's all this is, it's nothing. Apple has protested this, so it seems like it must be more.

What is Apple is heading toward completely sealed phones with only wireless charging / data xfer and they’re nervous that the EU is going to force them to keep the physical port on the device?

Well, not that it's relevant to the topic at hand, but if they do so, I'm leaving the ecosystem.

Not being able to charge from a backpack or a car is a non-starter for me. I go weeks without plugging my phone into the wall, but when I need it, I really need it.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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A great way to stifle innovation. Apple has been trying out cables and transfer types over the years (thunderbolt, CD-ROM, USB, wireless) and they do it on the backs of the luxury users, not too far off from what the luxury car makers in testing what to propagate downstream. Apple has set a standard to use their cable format, which works. If you go through the litany of USB-B there were power issues, transfer rates,…

It is absolutely not,in any way or form.Charger is only second to a power plug.My TV, router, washing machine and hair dryer use the same type of plug to get electricity from a socket. It's 2020 and yet we argue how it's beneficial to have x types of phones with z types of connections...Come on!

It's my experience that monitors, routers, speakers, and other devices often have non-standardized connectors. At the very least there are many different barrel connectors with different sizes, voltages, and amperages.

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Micro USB would be kind of mediocre. But if the rule had been in place 20 years ago, cell phones today might be featuring SCSI connectors. And of course, all laptops would be mandated to have VGA connectors, eliminating a ton of conference room presentation guesswork.

Why would you use SCSI to charge a phone? It'd be a standardized power connector, probably like those small round ones that are used for all sorts of household appliances. Similarly, your projector is already using a standardized power cable: The one that goes into your wall socket. For cables that don't terminate with a regular 2/3 prong on the other end, there are a few standardized shapes there too. My monitors an…

The charge ports of cellphones have almost always had data capabilities built in.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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> With USB-C there's no real reason to have other standards for charging a cell phone. I'll take lightning over usb-c anyday. I currently have a pixel 3 and it does not connect half the time and yes, I clean out the stupid port with a toothpick even though I never had to do that with an iphone. Android auto is especially annoying as a slight bump can cause it to disconnect and then it takes like 20 seconds to get it…

Buy high quality cables. I have Philips USB-C cables and I -cannot- move them in my MBP. Either horizontally or vertically. Not a wiggle. Nothing. Cheaper lesser quality cables are the issue. Buy a 99c gas station Lightning cable and see how well it works for you.

This work [0] or do you have a link to something you think will work?

[0]: https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Charging-Compatible-DLC5206BA...

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Counterfeit [lots of things] work, that doesn't negate the point. "If Rolex's cost $6,000+, how come I can buy one in the Bronx for $20?" "It's probably not real." "I bought it, it works."

It’s a cable. Having a genuine Apple certified cable means no more than buying a cheap HDMI cable instead of the $50 Monster cable back in the day.

Apple licenses the connector and validates it via a chip.

I entirely get what you're saying. But the chip is counterfeit, so the company doesn't pay the licensing cost, that's why the cable is "so cheap". Nothing to do with audiophile-esque tendencies. More that your 5 pack of cables would cost $14+(5*$4, the current license price) if it were that way.

No-one's disputing that you can buy cheap cables that will work (until they don't, because who knows what else was skimped on), just that you don't in any way shape or form have Apple to thank for that, it's entirely _in spite of_ Apple.

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It may be legitimate when the regulated action causes direct physical harm to someone else. For example: I think it's reasonable to regulate particulate emissions. It's not legitimate to regulate manufacture or commercialization of products when that manufacture or commercialization poses no direct threat to the physical well-being of other individuals.

Why draw the line at physical well-being? Why should it be fine to waste someone's time, cost them money, even destroy them emotionally, so long as you don't directly physically harm them? Your scope is absurdly narrow.

Because, as the Romans put it, de minimis non curat lex.

We are talking about law, not social expectation. It's not at all fine to waste someone's time, cost them money, destroy them emotionally, or insult their mother.

But it shouldn't be illegal.

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As far as I remember, this piece of legislation has been floating around since USB mini. We have now gone through 2 revisions to a connector that is now reversible and can carry video. Locking onto USB-C now could be a very "640k ought to be enough for everybody" moment. And if Apple was going to switch to USB C anyways, whats the point of this legislation?

You are misunderstanding. The idea is that manufacturers are free to do USb D, E... Z, they just have to all agree on whatever is their next thing. It also is just a charger, they can do whatever they want with data.

Why drive innovation with market advantage when you could use a massive coordination problem instead?

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Why would you use SCSI to charge a phone? It'd be a standardized power connector, probably like those small round ones that are used for all sorts of household appliances. Similarly, your projector is already using a standardized power cable: The one that goes into your wall socket. For cables that don't terminate with a regular 2/3 prong on the other end, there are a few standardized shapes there too. My monitors an…

The charge ports of cellphones have almost always had data capabilities built in.

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