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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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You don’t need goodwill until you need it, and then it’s almost impossible to garner. How does that saying go? When you’re on top of the world you can do no wrong, when you’re down you can do no right? A lot of giant companies have to learn this the hard way, probably due to institutional inertia, apathy, lack of foresight, and the reality that today’s C-levels will probably be gone before that shit hits the fan.

If you are banking on B2C-related "goodwill" to save a company whose revenue model is basically all B2B , then you're already dead. Google fairly obviously is not doing that.

In a way, Google's brand functions almost like an ol-school conglomerate-- you've got B2B and B2C products under one roof, with wildly different quality expectations, but all weighing on the brand.

What sort of blowback do conglomerates see for this? Do railroad executives balk at buying GE locomotives because their GE refrigerators fail?

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That sounds to me like Google knows how to do projects, not products.

It seems like the incentives for employees at Google are the problem here. People are rewarded for successfully completing projects, not for maintaining existing ones, so rational employees will maximize their compensation by moving on from a project after it launches and trying to launch a new one. There seems to be nobody at the top enforcing a consistent product vision. This is how Android ended up having several…

Microsoft however used to pay developers per lines of code... Not sure what is better in this case :-)

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Google seems more willing than most to shut down their offerings. While there's nothing wrong with that, it does give users less of a reason to use one of their services, because you never know when it might just go away.

If they're not making profits off something assume it can and will shut down.

Do it too often and you won't have any users because many people are not prepared to take the risk and instead buy the service from another company.

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Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

This is nonsense. Gmail is free. Inbox was free. Google Search is free. You can launch a profitable business on Google Cloud or Firebase in the free tier. They built Kubernetes and Go, for free, and it's very easy to port your Cloud infrastructure anywhere. You can translate text to any language, for free. What exactly do they owe you? Not enough people were using Inbox. It was an experiment and now they're moving on…

Gsuite also had inbox and Gmail and they are not free. Users who pay for those care. Next time I have to make a choice on Google product, most likely will reject it coz I can't really on them to either maintain it or give actual human support either

MS is probably supporting XP in the embedded world. If you are not selling to consumers you have to be prepared to do that

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I use and like inbox, mostly because I took straight away to using the snooze function - the best thing I've found in an email client, full stop. While this can apparently be done in Gmail now, I'd like to look for an alternative at this point - paid - to move from Google. Any suggestions for an email client that has decent android support, and offers a snooze function?

Gmail has snooze. With the settings to customize your swipe in each direction.

Nice, thanks for the tip on the swipe which makes the Gmail app much more usable for me.

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After being a keen Google user in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, I’ve been in on a process of extracting them from my life now their true creepy colours are on display. YouTube => Deleted Google plus => Deleted Gmail => Deleted, switched to Soverin [0], works great, less than $4 per month for 25gb email hosting Drive => Deleted, moved to iCloud Docs => Deleted, use iWork for docs and Bear [1] for text Search => Duck Du…

Soverin sounds like a good project. What do you make of the fact that the warrant canary hasn't been updated since May, though? https://soverin.net/warrant-canary

Got to assume that anything online is being gobbled up by a security service somewhere.

My email may not be 100% safe (what is?), but at least it’s not being used to sharpen an ad-targeting algorithm.

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Thanks RhodesianHunter. > 1. AWS saves us money despite the apparent higher costs because our developers spend more time working on our core business than managing infrastructure, and developer time is our most expensive resource. But in most cases you lose any preserved savings because of the very ease of use and lack of needing to think about the infrastructure management. This is because more often than not proble…

Does part of your core business also involve mining silicon, crystalizing it, cutting the crystals into wafers, and then etching those wafers to make the chips your servers are built from? Somewhere, you're drawing the line between what you build in-house and what you outsource. Where to draw the line depends on many factors. There's definitely no "right" place, such as never using cloud resources.

Vertical integration is function of size. At scale even the small efficiency improvements can make big differences, Facebook run their own DCs and design some hardware too coz it probably makes sense at their scale.

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It seems like the incentives for employees at Google are the problem here. People are rewarded for successfully completing projects, not for maintaining existing ones, so rational employees will maximize their compensation by moving on from a project after it launches and trying to launch a new one. There seems to be nobody at the top enforcing a consistent product vision. This is how Android ended up having several…

Microsoft however used to pay developers per lines of code... Not sure what is better in this case :-)

Oh boy, this literally encourages bloat

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But that also means if it doesn't become profitable, it'll be shut down on short notice. Which is exactly the reason nobody is considering Google Cloud, and going to AWS and Azure instead. Google knows this (they're not stupid after all) and seems to be pulling out of kubernetes development recently.

Google is not pulling out of Kubernetes development. Their contributions have stayed at a very high level and they remain the largest single contributor, although their % of all contributions has declined over time as many more companies have gotten involved. You may have gotten confused by this clickbait TechCrunch headline, which does not match the article content: https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/29/google-steps-bac…

Thanks for clarification! The TechCrunch article might indeed be click-baity, but OTOH it seems credible to me Google wouldn't be maintaining k8s indefinitely when they've nothing to gain. I understood Google said as much when they were calling on other parties (presumably AWS, Azure) benefitting from k8s more than Google itself to engage in k8s development. Though I'm not sure Azure, and much less AWS, would have a business case for doing so.

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I hate their “new” tabs that tries to categorize emails. It’s just extra clicks to get to the emails I want. It’s forced me to go back to a dedicated email app.

What are you talking about man? You can easily turn it off in "configure inbox" section.

Can you? If so it’s not obvious at all.
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