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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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I am not sure if you are using the term "Mechanical Turk" correctly. Would you mind clarifying?

They're likely referring to Amazon Mechanical Turk: https://www.mturk.com as opposed to the chess-playing variety: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

Becoming 'a worker' is very eye opening experience.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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post #205

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I am not sure if you are using the term "Mechanical Turk" correctly. Would you mind clarifying?

They're likely referring to Amazon Mechanical Turk: https://www.mturk.com as opposed to the chess-playing variety: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

Got it, MTurk defintely makes more sense than the Turk :)

Which actually raises an interesting point. The word data comes from Latin dare for "to give". So, as Rob Kitchin observes, while something like MTurk can be properly described as collecting "data", Google and the vast majority of networked platforms should really be more properly described as collecting "capta", from Latin capere, or "to take".

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Google themselves has actually built very few successful products outside of search. Half of what they build internally they kill and the other half is acquisitions, many of which they also kill. Sometimes I even wonder about things like GSuite. When does the 2-year sunset period start?

RIP Songza. I will never forgive them for acquiring and ruining that service.

God I listened to Songza every single day for hours. I walked out the day they got acquired.

Ads everywhere, google showing things in your face. Nop!

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Gmail, Chrome, Play, Maps seem pretty successful to me.

The above poster said few, not zero. Google has killed off dozens upon dozens more officially launched projects.

the four listed are the biggest products in the world in their space. the first three would be multi billion dollar companies outside of Google.

not to mention Search itself, Docs has become a fantastic product as has Photos. of course they have killed hundreds of potentially great projects (RIP Reader) but give the company their due - they know how to build products.

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1. AWS saves us money despite the apparent higher costs because our developers spend more time working on our core business than managing infrastructure, and developer time is our most expensive resource. 2. Softlayer completely f'ed us twice now with down time resulting in a substantial dollar loss.

Thanks RhodesianHunter. > 1. AWS saves us money despite the apparent higher costs because our developers spend more time working on our core business than managing infrastructure, and developer time is our most expensive resource. But in most cases you lose any preserved savings because of the very ease of use and lack of needing to think about the infrastructure management. This is because more often than not proble…

Does part of your core business also involve mining silicon, crystalizing it, cutting the crystals into wafers, and then etching those wafers to make the chips your servers are built from?

Somewhere, you're drawing the line between what you build in-house and what you outsource. Where to draw the line depends on many factors. There's definitely no "right" place, such as never using cloud resources.

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My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Burn I wonder if that’s really a problem because in 3 years, if GOogle Cloud becomes a billion dollar company then most wont question its financial importance to Alphabet.

But that also means if it doesn't become profitable, it'll be shut down on short notice. Which is exactly the reason nobody is considering Google Cloud, and going to AWS and Azure instead. Google knows this (they're not stupid after all) and seems to be pulling out of kubernetes development recently.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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post #205

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They're likely referring to Amazon Mechanical Turk: https://www.mturk.com as opposed to the chess-playing variety: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

Got it, MTurk defintely makes more sense than the Turk :) Which actually raises an interesting point. The word data comes from Latin dare for "to give". So, as Rob Kitchin observes, while something like MTurk can be properly described as collecting "data", Google and the vast majority of networked platforms should really be more properly described as collecting "capta", from Latin capere , or "to take".

You are absolutely correct and I completely agree; this is part of what I wanted to get at. Google also uses this two-fold "data-gathering disguised as a service" methodology in its captchas -- as your reference to "capare" reminded me. :)

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Got it, MTurk defintely makes more sense than the Turk :) Which actually raises an interesting point. The word data comes from Latin dare for "to give". So, as Rob Kitchin observes, while something like MTurk can be properly described as collecting "data", Google and the vast majority of networked platforms should really be more properly described as collecting "capta", from Latin capere , or "to take".

You are absolutely correct and I completely agree; this is part of what I wanted to get at. Google also uses this two-fold "data-gathering disguised as a service" methodology in its captchas -- as your reference to "capare" reminded me. :)

It's actually interesting because Rob Kitchin has started almost exclusively using the word "capta" in his later works. I'm tempted to follow him in doing that in my personal writings. (Captcha and other forms of "data labor" [1] or even "data slavery" is also something that I've started exploring.)

[1] https://uknowledge.uky.edu/geography_facpub/11/

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Burn I wonder if that’s really a problem because in 3 years, if GOogle Cloud becomes a billion dollar company then most wont question its financial importance to Alphabet.

I'm worried about individual services being killed, not the entire Cloud business.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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This. Google cloud for example is the most technologically advanced. But no one in my company would touch it with a ten foot pole. Google can and will shutdown things is just ingrained - even when we pay, things will change so drastically or be not supported any more that you just can't assume anything.

But Google Cloud deprecation policies and other SLA's for generally available products.

Yeah, but the perception is that google discontinues things. Even if unfounded, perception is very important...
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