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UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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Too bad polls haven't been accurate for a while now.

As someone who made money betting on a Trump victory - certain topics / polls. Calling Brexit / Trump voters racist leads to a certain % of the population not disclosing their vote, oversampling of Democrats was another issue in the US polls.

That not what oversampling means.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/25/oversampling...

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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post #179

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As much as I want to stay in Europe that ain't happening. She didn't need to call this. She did it because the polls say she'll win and that's another 5 years we're stuck with a tory government. Labour is the biggest challenger and they're pro-brexit. With the SNP's popularity Labour can't win enough seats to challenge anyway and given their differing stances on brexit I don't see how a Labour/Lib Dems/SNP coalition…

Are Labour really "pro-Brexit"? I understand they're pretty divided right now, but I thought it was more that they have to publicly show they're prepared to live with it moving forward.

Corbyn seems pro-Brexit, and only a fifth of the party defied the whip in the Brexit vote.

What would happen without Corbyn is anyone's guess though.

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There is quite a wide range of opinions on the desired outcome of the negotiations, often referred to as either a soft or hard brexit.

It's possibly worth mentioning for those not closely following UK news that "soft Brexit" now usually seems to mean "remaining a member of the Single Market", and "hard Brexit" usually seems to mean "anything less than that". I don't personally think this is a very useful distinction. By this definition, a soft Brexit is what for example the Lib Dems are advocating at the moment. However, I think it is also highly un…

The tea metaphor:

"Tea?"

"OK, go on."

"There's no kettle so I'm burning the house down to heat water."

"Now wait a…"

"Shut up, I've a clear mandate for tea."

https://twitter.com/louisejjohnson/status/829617043582369792

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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post #224

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All parties will say that though. Plus it's not clear the Scots would actually vote to leave and the talk about NI leaving the UK is nonsense. They voted, narrowly, to remain in the EU. Not to remain in the EU even if that meant leaving the UK.

> All parties will say that though. I don't think conservatives say that "We aren't leaving if Scotland or Northern ireland poll even close to 50% for leaving the UK in order to remain in the EU after a brexit vote". That would have been useful information before the referendum. > it's not clear the Scots wouldnactually vote Exactly, it's very uncertain. And having a referendum with that uncertainty was very strange.…

All parties will indeed say that they are pro-union and that they will do what they can to keep things together.

Making promises on EU membership based on ideas about union seems unwarranted though - we have no idea what the result of polls would be where it is explicit that the choice is between UK and EU membership. Nor do the respective parties know that "Stay in the EU outside of the UK" is even an option - Scotland is likely to have multiple years as part of neither one while it establishes an economic track record and a stable set of government institutions.

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"The doomsday rhetoric is completely out of hand." "The EU is going to fragment and crumble over the next ten years." No comment.

interfixus' point is that the EU crumbling is a good thing for everyone involved, hence not a "doomsday".

interfixus point is that the EU will crumble

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"The doomsday rhetoric is completely out of hand." "The EU is going to fragment and crumble over the next ten years." No comment.

interfixus' point is that the EU crumbling is a good thing for everyone involved, hence not a "doomsday".

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"The doomsday rhetoric is completely out of hand." "The EU is going to fragment and crumble over the next ten years." No comment.

interfixus' point is that the EU crumbling is a good thing for everyone involved, hence not a "doomsday".

Exactly, yes, thank you. I assumed that was obvious, but I can see how it wouldn't necessarily be to someone coming from another direction.

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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As someone who made money betting on a Trump victory - certain topics / polls. Calling Brexit / Trump voters racist leads to a certain % of the population not disclosing their vote, oversampling of Democrats was another issue in the US polls.

That not what oversampling means. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/25/oversampling...

I'm aware of what oversampling means. I was listing the 'hidden vote' and oversampling as a reason.

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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In my fantasy of UK politics, the centre and centre-left parties would form an opposition coalition ahead of the poll, proposing some radical reforms like PR, as well as some socially progressive policies like reigning in the surveillance state, thoroughly reviewing the drug laws, reviewing basic income as an idea and instituting some sort of evidence-basis mandate for law-making. I realise this is a pipe-dream, howe…

The SNP would never go for PR.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-snp-would-...

The SNP do just fine under the AMS system at Holyrood and the STV system for local council elections in Scotland.

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