It would be extremely cool if now it turned out that Adria and this guy were actually friends who came up with a plan how to troll everyone who has stick up their ass and/or is afraid of his/her own shadow when it comes to gender.
SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas
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#232In events like these I'm glad I'm living under protective labor laws and not in the US. That would have forced all parties involved to talk it out like grown-ups instead of resorting to terminating those involved. Now there is no kind of resolution, but two people are unemployed and two companies are damaged. Nice going.
Agreed. It always makes me shiver with how casually people are fired from their jobs in the US. Some aspects of US society still seem like the wild west to me. Not that where I live is perfect (Netherlands) but at least I know I'll get a fair chance.
When I lived in Holland, we'd have problems with employees that would linger for months, sometimes years, wasting tons of time/money/effort, damaging morale of the team. And the outcome was always the same: the employee left.
I came to believe that its better to bring things to resolution very fast, for both the employer and employee.
YMMV.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same room as this person. What if I accidentally say something that she finds offensive? Am I next?" I'm not agreeing with anything Adria did, but the issue of being labeled as the "tattletale" probably plays a big part in most women's reluctance to report real harassment.
I in fact agree with you and think you are 100% right but I think you are parsing the situation incorrectly. In fact it seems to be Ms. Richards who will cause women to be reluctant to report real sexual harassment. Let me draw from a past experience of mine involving a female colleague who was sexually harassed. She related the situation to me and I had absolutely no doubt that what was said to her was inappropriate…
This is perhaps the greatest tragedy of this whole debacle. It has simultaneously trivialized sexism & discrimination while promoting the paranoid fear that any minor innocuous comment could end up as a shitpile trainwreck on Twitter.
By calling out a non-thing as a wolf, she has effectively raised the bar on real harassment being reported. Likewise, otherwise well intentioned men will be looking over their shoulder when making even harmless comments, promoting a gender division in the workplace.
Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas
#234In events like these I'm glad I'm living under protective labor laws and not in the US. That would have forced all parties involved to talk it out like grown-ups instead of resorting to terminating those involved. Now there is no kind of resolution, but two people are unemployed and two companies are damaged. Nice going.
This is the second post I've read recently about the US having no labor laws. Is that what everybody outside the US thinks? There's tons of laws and certain types of jobs are very difficult to fire people (unionized industries and govt. jobs). And there are laws and lawsuits for wrongful termination. Private companies still have labor laws they have to obey. Except for certain types of issues employees can be fired.…
That's like saying that in Europe people can legally own guns too.
It's factually true (in fact, it's not even that hard in most countries), but the way it is legislated is so vastly different that the labor laws the US has are almost insignificant. (The power of certain unions is a different matter, but that doesn't apply here.)
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Once again, the woman in question was not seeking to get anyone fired, and has also said she didn't think it was right that the guy was fired. The level of hypocrisy over this is flabbergastingly large.
I don't think she could've imagined that he would've been fired over something like that. I'm sure that surprised everyone. The "bullying" I referred to was simply exposing those developers' picture to her considerably-sized twitter audience. With her position and the scope of her influence, that alone is bullying. The firing, her followup posts, etc. just make everything worse.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I can assure you I know substantially more on this than you do. Well then do enlighten the class.
If you had the empathy or personal context to understand what happened here, how these situations work, and how disempowering the behavior can feel, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. No amount of my arguing with you on Hacker News will change that.
Please be more condescending. It really will help your cause.
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#237Github sells "fork you" shirt. http://shop.github.com/products/fork-you-shirt-mens-medium
Can someone please fire whoever is responsible for that? I am offended.
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#238http://imgur.com/5tbXR2c
I don't understand what's wrong with this. This is quite literally the definition of racism in a sociological context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Sociological . You're going to need to disprove a lot of social science before you tackle this definition.
>Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege
The commonly used definition of racism is hatred against people because of their race.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
>hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
A couple of black kids beating a white kid to death because he's white, for example, would be defined as racist under this definition.
Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas
#239One thing that I haven't seen anyone here comment on: so much for company loyalty. Say or do something wrong and your company will not even remotely try to get your back. You will be dumped as soon as feasibly possible. Both companies involved here are disgusting.
so much for company loyalty
The notion of company loyalty flew out the window 10+ years ago.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routi…
The sad truth is that grown people acting like children is far more common than you'd expect. This is not a phenomenon exclusive to the technology industry. Whether it's fashionistas, dock-workers, or politicos, people will be people. In short: childish, immature, vindictive, and petty. There was plenty to go around here.
Indeed. I'm just disappointed, all around.
I respect the handling by PyCon staff/volunteers (who didn't kick anyone out, but supported keeping PyCon a welcoming, comfortable environment), but beyond that, I feel like this whole incident has just shown us how bad people can act.