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Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by salman89 » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:05 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

"I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same room as this person. What if I accidentally say something that she finds offensive? Am I next?"

I'm not agreeing with anything Adria did, but the issue of being labeled as the "tattletale" probably plays a big part in most women's reluctance to report real harassment.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by knowtheory » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:05 PM UTC

adamnemecek wrote: post #35

gkoberger wrote: post #15

Whether you agree with what she did, she was their "developer evangelist", and there is no chance she'll ever be able to effectively do that job for them ever again.

Or for anyone else for that matter. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the situation, I feel like any company would have to be pretty crazy to willing attach their name to hers.

So, you'd rather see her name totally vilified and run out of the industry instead?

Where's the understanding and tolerance for questionable conduct that was offered to the two guys making jokes now?

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by aheilbut » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:05 PM UTC

All of this absurdity is why we have a legal system, not mob rule.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by natrius » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #38

Joeboy wrote: post #5

Given the way this has escalated I'm expecting it to have engulfed the entire civilized world by the end of the week. You Americans are crazy.

We didn't invent sensationalist media.

There's only five things we do better than everyone else: music, movies, microcode, high-speed pizza delivery, and sensationalist media.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by niggler » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #46

blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

People want Adria to apologize for actions that were outside of her control (like the guys getting fired).

If anything, the overreaction by everyone involved merely proves that the issue of gender in the industry is still significant.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #33

This post contains no more information than did the other deleted threads. The past threads were deleted because HN mods think that the announcement is fake. This Mashable story adds no new reporting.

Yeah, a verbal confirmation seems justified under the circumstances.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by fatjokes » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #46

blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

> And Adria had the right to tweet.

Adria as an individual, yes. Adria as a developer evangelist? No. Her role is to speak for the company, and no company should resort to public shaming and cyber bullying.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by gregd » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

Does it really matter why she was fired? I don't understand why these two companies, SendGrid and PlayHaven couldn't have gotten together, with these two employees, and communicated about the entire incident and publicly come to an amicable resolution over it.

It seems that knee jerk reactions from everyone has done little to foster workable environments for anyone. I will say this though, it's out of control.

Firing employees on either side just screams of "we don't know how to deal with this..." All of this has descended from a fucking private dongle joke amongst peers.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by callmevlad » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #33

This post contains no more information than did the other deleted threads. The past threads were deleted because HN mods think that the announcement is fake. This Mashable story adds no new reporting.

Since that time, SendGrid has posted multiple outage status updates on their Twitter feed, pretty much debunking the theory that their Twitter account was compromised.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by blhack » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 7:06 PM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #46

blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Do you actually know what the guys said? They made a joke about the word "dong" sounding like the word "dongle".

If this is what you think a frat house sounds like, you are very mistaken. That this is considered a faux pas is more politically correct than any office I've ever heard of.