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Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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At the expense of the overall economic health of everyone. See the rents in San Francisco for examples compared to places where countries actually build, like Singapore and China.

If that's good long-term for the people in SF who've already invested their time and money there, shouldn't be any other way. It's also not some zero-sum game where voting against development always benefits them at the cost of others; sometimes they want development.

It's not good long term for them though, as housing disparity statistically correlates to higher crime.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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If that's good long-term for the people in SF who've already invested their time and money there, shouldn't be any other way. It's also not some zero-sum game where voting against development always benefits them at the cost of others; sometimes they want development.

It's not good long term for them though, as housing disparity statistically correlates to higher crime.

Maybe more development wouldn't have caused lower crime in SF, we won't know. And that's also not the only thing they care about.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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Bullshit. The AI Act is not the problem, Mistral models are definitely usable and some were/are competitive. European future looks bright compared to the political landscape the US has now

Political landscape of the US right now will change in few years like it has been changing for the last 250 years. USA does not equate to its current political situation. But EU would keep on rotting from inside and I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

> I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

Hope you're hungry. The Mistral are going to what most great European companies are good at - regulatory arbitrage. They're going to insert themselves everywhere within EU (French govt, etc) and extract value that way whilst delivering subpar services to what open weight Chinese models can deliver. Honestly they'll probably be profitable before most other AI providers are simply because there's very little pressure to improve models.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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> EU cannot legislate on national security matters Sure. Legally, makes sense. Practically, if you want to do all those things the legislation purports to be doing for human rights, you just have to get the right general or spy or police chief on your side. That makes the whole scheme a bit of a boondoggle. Lots of friction. Remarkably little tangible benefit.

> Sure. Legally, makes sense. Practically, if you want to do all those things... If you had just owned up to how you were mistaken about EU legislative limits - confidently stated - I probably would have taken everything else in your initial comment at face value. Your doubling down into unfalsifiable territory has me thinking your arguments are feelings-based with post-facto justifications.

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Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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The thing that nobody talks about is how many EU citizens already are working on frontier models, just inside US companies. That’s why the prohibition was so crippling for Anthropic. And, btw, the bang per buck that I got from OVH was better than EC2.

> The thing that nobody talks about is how many EU citizens already are working on frontier models, just inside US companies Why don't you ask yourself: how come those brilliant European minds couldn't find a job that pays well enough at home? Why could they in the US? There are many more Chinese and Indian, and other internationals working for US companies, outnumbering Europeans. It's not like Europe was intentiona…

> The two regions were basically had the same economic output in 2000. Europe has been left behind economically.

Which basically coincides with the introduction of the Euro currency. The dumbest currency ever created: a common currency for countries with different fiscal laws/different tax rates and different economic outputs. Since then one the Eurozone state already (partially) defaulted on its public debt: Greece.

My beloved EU is fucked. And not just because of that ultra-poorly and very probably short-lived currency that the Euro is: the EU is a socialist construction, by socialists, for socialists.

In 25 years of introducing the Euro they manage to kill the first industry of the most important economy of the EU: the car industry in Germany.

> Sooner or later that'd affect your living standard as well.

Oh but the EU is making sure the standard of living falls really quick.

For as if the EU wasn't falling into poverty quickly enough, politicians are at hard at work at importing millions upons millions of very poor people from africa and the middle-east. For the most part totally unemployable people (a politicians in Germany talked about 93% migrants without a job, that cannot speak the language and unemployable and used the term "a lost generation").

In my native city, Brussels ("head" of the EU), a recent report from a Belgian university estimates that 5% of the population of the city are undocumented migrants: undocumented means they aren't working. It's impossible to work without a shitload of paperwork in the EU. One out of every 20 people is an unemployable, unaccounted, undocumented, migrant. Let that sink in.

The EU is fucked way more than people imagine.

And anyone who thinks that the millions and tens of millions of migrants coming without any education are going to be the ones that shall save the EU economically is totally delusional.

I raised my kid in english, only every going to british school and now british college, and wife is working towards acquiring a new citizenship. Thankfully we've also got family in Japan (a country notoriously hard to get in), so we've got that option too.

We moved to a new country four times already, but now we're planning to leave the sinking ship that the EU is.

There's no future in the EU: the only way forward is that major european cities are going to keep turning ever more into slums.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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The founding fathers created a document that was already struggling with modern realities prior to Trump. 250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.

US Constitution has aged pretty well. Some things in there don't seem as relevant today, but some are more relevant now than ever.

https://theonion.com/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates...

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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> EU cannot legislate on national security matters Sure. Legally, makes sense. Practically, if you want to do all those things the legislation purports to be doing for human rights, you just have to get the right general or spy or police chief on your side. That makes the whole scheme a bit of a boondoggle. Lots of friction. Remarkably little tangible benefit.

> Sure. Legally, makes sense. Practically, if you want to do all those things... If you had just owned up to how you were mistaken about EU legislative limits - confidently stated - I probably would have taken everything else in your initial comment at face value. Your doubling down into unfalsifiable territory has me thinking your arguments are feelings-based with post-facto justifications.

I read their post in the way they intended. Regardless of whether they can, the fact that they fail to cover all the bases makes the legislation almost useless.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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The founding fathers created a document that was already struggling with modern realities prior to Trump. 250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.

The U.S. Constitution is older than the current constitution of every EU member state and has remained continuously in force longer than any of them.

You know that's not a good thing, right?

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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post #212

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I don’t know why you think the American definition of human rights is universal? It is. Look at the freedom of press index for example. And as the US doesn’t accept foreign courts, there is not really a legal apparatus against the state outside of the US, which many European countries do have. Belarus is not part of the EU, nor did it sign many of the international human rights

I don't know why you think the EU definition of human rights matters at all? The comment I responded to was about Europe . Belarus is part of Europe. As are Serbia, Moldova, etc.

It does matter, for example for all countries that signed the ECHR. And most European countries even have more rights guaranteed by the state and by EU.

You are trying to move goalposts instead of trying to counter my arguments

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