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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I think it's just to hype Anthropic. Check it out, we have products so dangerous the government banned them, we must be so advanced . (Their competitors cannot make such a claim.)

sorry but when will this line of cute conspiracy theories stop? do you really think this was premeditated to hype up Anthropic?

It doesn't stop, about 75% of HN users mistake being conspiratorial/cynical for sounding smart.

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Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

Or in my favourite formulation: “Never assume conspiracy where mere incompetence will do”.

Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

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One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

I'm not American so maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't the Constitution apply to all citizens? Is it not then unconstitutional to prevent federal inmates from possessing firearms while incarcerated?

Yes you lose many of your rights when in prison.

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One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from…

The warning shot was the main mistake. It goes against all training. Only shoot to kill.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

It's the AWS CEO being a little snitch to gain favor from the Government. That is what this is about.

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You clearly missed the part about the divide between the political class and everyone else. Most people in the US are just trying to pay rent and maybe one day save up for a house by the time they are 40-50. If you don't see this you are either 1) making enough money you are part of the problem 2) don't actually live in the US so have a completely unmoored understanding of reality on the ground here

I obviously don’t live in the US. My entire point was that people say that care about school shootings and etc., but unless they do anything about it, those are just words. Given the voting record of the majority of the population, I tend to believe that an average American cares more about SPX. Which, honestly, is fine by me. Every nation and culture is different, freedom and etc. etc.. But it would be hard to convi…

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The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

> The reason is pretty obvious I would argue the simple reason is that Amazon wanted to fsck Anthropic to set them back, despite whatever partnership they may claim. The competition at that level is intense and these guys do not play by the same rules that regular people do. They can't flat out murder each other (yet) so they find other ways to do it.

Why? Amazon makes tons of money serving Anthropic models through Bedrock and they seem to have basically given up on their own frontier models.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

> waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. Why would anyone switch yet? They have the same models they did four days ago. Do you mean ensuring they can switch quickly, or putting in place systems to be able to shift their traffic more easily?

Because this demonstrated that the US government has an off switch that it’s now using. Folks outside the US don’t want to build on tech that the US can just decide on a whim that they should no longer have access to.

This is a slippery slope that’s not easily undone.

In isolation this would be a big deal but not catastrophic. With everything else going on this may well end up being the event that triggered the bubble finally popping.

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This is lacking any nuance. The CEO not being invited to a meaningless ceremony vs being designated a supply chain risk by the DoD and being forced to shut down your product. Use judgment.

It's astonishing how that summit sparkles the Tesla sowflakes. We gave them tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and a 100% tariff on the Chinese competition! Huge, substantive policy assistance! But Biden wanted to pal around with some union supporters and that's supposed to be some horrible slight? Please. Elon didn't drop millions on the Trump campaign and throw a double Sieg Heil at the 2025 US presidential i…

You'll notice the tariffs were helping legacy auto more than Tesla
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