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Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by mmcnl »

forty wrote: post #90

I think the kind of laptop this person wishes should simply be made illegal to make. We cannot sustain having all electric devices being thrown after a year or two, these things need to last, to be repairable and make it easy to grab pieces and materials when they die anyway

It doesn't have to be thrown out. It can be re-used by someone else. Just build durable electronics. It will last a decade easily. Upgradeable laptops are actually less sustainable: people buy not 1 or 2 laptops, but 1.6 laptops: effectively throwing away 0.6 laptop.

Also I see no reason why a non-upgradeable laptop would also be non-repairable.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by lostdog »

maccard wrote: post #129
kmac_ wrote: post #121

There's plenty of good hardware outside the Apple world. Heck, whenever I get convinced to try Apple hardware or software, its quirks and obvious glitches put me off. Input lag is the topmost issue. It immediately washes off the "quality" impression. But I understand that Apple users are used to that and don't notice such issues.

What would you recommend? > input lag is the topmost issue IME this is a massive problem on windows and android and apple actually gets it right. They occasionally have stupid animations but those animations are responsive and trigger immediately. I don’t experience 3-5 second stalls (seriously the share dialog on android is a disgrace, and the windows start menu has become the least reliable part of the OS), and the…

Yup, the "switch desktops/spaces" input lag is the absolute worst on Mac. It's remarkable that Apple has a reputation of being good at UX.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by mft_ »

arresin wrote: post #214
procaryote wrote: post #86

The framework model is the reasonable approach to people being finnicky about their laptop specs. You can't sustain "I want it just so" and "it needs to be a cnc-machined glued together brick, engineered to the last gramme" at the same time, without a step change in how we build hardware, but the framework comes pretty close If linux power management got a bit better, and there was a good arm chip, it would be a grea…

But the trackpad, the rigidity, the screen wobble, the battery life. It’s annoying. I wish I could just buy a framework and stop this boring chore. But there’s nothing out there right now.

And, sadly, also the price. I’d also love to get one but when I last needed a new laptop it was about 60% more expensive than the similarly-spaced Zenbook OLED I bought instead.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by mft_ »

bloppe wrote: post #45

I agree about some criticisms of the framework. I think they could do away with the plug modules and just go all in on usb-c. I don't mind the occasional dongle for HDMI. I also would prefer a thinner screen bezel, even if that means it's not swappable either. But having easy access to internal hardware for upgrades is pretty huge. Rather than blowing 1-2k on a new machine every few years, it's just $200-500 for more…

Agree; the choosing ports thing is a gimmick. These days, one video/charging-capable USB-C on each side, plus a USB-A and maybe an SD slot somewhere are enough for most use cases.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by rangestransform »

Yokolos wrote: post #225
Johanx64 wrote: post #219

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You can absolutely put your money where your mouth is, today, right now. Upload a picture of your Framework 13 or Thinkpad T/X-series pre-T440, etc.

I presume most of the people on this site make enough to make purchases based on values instead of solely economics.

Alternatively, you can run for government on policies to price in externalities like this. Good luck winning your election!

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by rangestransform »

chem83 wrote: post #197
doublextremevil wrote: post #6

the whole pc laptop industry really is an embarrassment right now. It has been 5 years since the M1 Macbook release, and there is no real equivalent. I'm on a thinkpad x9, which might be the closest I've seen, but the cpu performance just isn't as good.

The gaming laptops that have been made a bit less game-y without the RGBs and thick chassis turned out to be the sweet spot for me. Some compromises here and there, sure, but they mostly have the hardware I want. Asus has a good line up that works very well with Linux from 13 to 16 inches, all with dGPUs, AMD CPU (though Intel is also there), high-refresh rate OLEDs etc.

The quality of asus firmware development for power management things is basically shovelware

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by makeitdouble »

wiseowise wrote: post #221
makeitdouble wrote: post #185

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> You're comparing model to generation, not sure what's that supposed to mean. If you can accepts different schemes depending on the maker's intent, I really don't get why you're distressed by XBox naming different console lines with different monikers. I guess it all comes down to whether you like the name or not, and there was nothing to argue on from the very start. > Yes, I will buy Peugeot 208 over 207 because i…

> That's a disturbing logic to me, but you do you. Buying 2025 model over 2014 is truly disturbing.

A Peugeot 208 is around 17k euros. Throwing that money at a dealer solely because it's one more than the number before is disturbing, yes.

Edit: When you're saying the 207 is from 2014, you're already doing your research past looking at the number. I'm not even sure what we're still discussing.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

hamdingers wrote: post #191
makeitdouble wrote: post #164

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When you go looking for a car will you buy the Peugeot 3008 because it has a higher number than the 208 ? Or will you do research, go to the company site and look at the product description, compare the specs and make your opinion about what best fits your needs ? Right now there's about 5 lines of Surface devices with each their very specific purpose and tradeoffs. I'd be shocked at someone buying one solely based o…

Cars are a poor analogy because model year works as a version number. I'd rather have a 2025 Peugeot whatever than a 2015.

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by makeitdouble »

hamdingers wrote: post #191
makeitdouble wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you go looking for a car will you buy the Peugeot 3008 because it has a higher number than the 208 ? Or will you do research, go to the company site and look at the product description, compare the specs and make your opinion about what best fits your needs ? Right now there's about 5 lines of Surface devices with each their very specific purpose and tradeoffs. I'd be shocked at someone buying one solely based o…

Cars are a poor analogy because model year works as a version number. I'd rather have a 2025 Peugeot whatever than a 2015.

Do you actually want the 2025 touchscreen version above the 2015 all physical button model for instance ?

And what if it's still sold but at a third of the price ? "it's newer" is the main decision factor when it's throwaway money. Otherwise you're thinking a bit longer about what to buy for 17k euros.

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