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Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by nox101 »

oooyay wrote: post #204
robin_reala wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I’m trying to teach myself to do whenever I think “this is ridiculous overcomplexity” is to imagine whose life it might make simpler. Let’s assume I have some sort of motor disability: it could be anything from Parkinsons to quadraplegia. Having a bridge out to a common controller that maybe works on speech or some other standardised input method that works for your disability is a massive benefit. And avoids ha…

You certainly don't need a cloud defaulted device in order to do what you describe. There are plenty of assistants, Google and Alexa being two, that can talk to things on your local network with a REST API. That controller also has a gig of memory, plenty enough to run a little API. What manufacturers like about cloud enabled devices is that they can automatically upgrade the firmware and they can get semi-accurate c…

> What manufacturers like about cloud enabled devices is that they can automatically upgrade the firmware and they can get semi-accurate counts for usage.

What they like is that they can charge you a recurring subscription for "service"

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by mattigames »

wil421 wrote: post #185
m463 wrote: post #141

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Wouldn't subscriptions be next?

Pay us $50 a month and we’ll keep the other hackers at bay. Is there a ransomware protection racket yet?

Yeah, they have existed for a long time, the are called anti-viruses.

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by autoexec »

robin_reala wrote: post #186
miah_ wrote: post #169

Pretty wild. I used to have one of these beds, but it was before everything got "smart". It had two corded controller's hooked up to the pump. The controller displays the number and had up/down arrow buttons to adjust. No internet required. No Linux powered microcontroller required. My bed couldn't get hacked. I slept in comfort.

What I’m trying to teach myself to do whenever I think “this is ridiculous overcomplexity” is to imagine whose life it might make simpler. Let’s assume I have some sort of motor disability: it could be anything from Parkinsons to quadraplegia. Having a bridge out to a common controller that maybe works on speech or some other standardised input method that works for your disability is a massive benefit. And avoids ha…

> What I’m trying to teach myself to do whenever I think “this is ridiculous overcomplexity” is to imagine whose life it might make simpler.

I prefer to think "How can this be used against someone" because while there are a lot of "smart" devices that can help people, they are often also being used to exploit those same people by collecting massive amounts of data and using that data against them or selling/leaking it to those who will use it against them, or allowing hackers to gain access to their data/network.

People with a disability or those with accessibility needs shouldn't need to give up their right to privacy or security to take advantage of every technological advance that might make their lives easier. Even people without a disability don't need some company collecting a detailed record of when/how often/how long they have sex, or how many nights they sleep alone, or what days/hours they spend in bed, or what times they go to sleep or how much sleep they get.

Devices should be designed to protect users and not to collect as much data as possible, or push ads, or expose them to hackers.

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by [deleted] »

miah_ wrote: post #169

Pretty wild. I used to have one of these beds, but it was before everything got "smart". It had two corded controller's hooked up to the pump. The controller displays the number and had up/down arrow buttons to adjust. No internet required. No Linux powered microcontroller required. My bed couldn't get hacked. I slept in comfort.

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Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by beardedmoose »

ufmace wrote: post #221
oooyay wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You certainly don't need a cloud defaulted device in order to do what you describe. There are plenty of assistants, Google and Alexa being two, that can talk to things on your local network with a REST API. That controller also has a gig of memory, plenty enough to run a little API. What manufacturers like about cloud enabled devices is that they can automatically upgrade the firmware and they can get semi-accurate c…

I think this goes right back to the parent's point. I presume you personally could set that up. I probably could too. But 99% of the world isn't tech experts and can't do that. Or fix it if something goes wrong. Even if you can, you might just want to go to bed and not have to debug a broken assistant integration first. The benefit of cloud integration, for that 99%, is that there is a professional out there to keep…

Until they just decide to stop supporting it one day until you buy a new $4k bed.

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by mgkimsal »

beardedmoose wrote: post #235
ufmace wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this goes right back to the parent's point. I presume you personally could set that up. I probably could too. But 99% of the world isn't tech experts and can't do that. Or fix it if something goes wrong. Even if you can, you might just want to go to bed and not have to debug a broken assistant integration first. The benefit of cloud integration, for that 99%, is that there is a professional out there to keep…

Until they just decide to stop supporting it one day until you buy a new $4k bed.

A friend of mine spent $10k on a sleep number bed a couple years ago. I'm not sure I could ever get a restful night sleep again on a $10k bed, thinking about the cost! ;)

I got a fancy new one a bit later with an adjustable frame and remote control and all that... $2200, and even that felt crazy expensive!

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by flyingpenguin »

mtoner23 wrote: post #228
prmoustache wrote: post #224

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>The hub communicates with the Sleep Number servers by opening an SSH tunnel and providing a reverse tunnel back to the hub that their developers can use to connect to the hub and do maintenance when needed. Shouldn't bed owners sue them if they haven't been warned of that fact prior to purchase? Getting illegitimate access to your network and backdooring it is criminal offense right?

I'm sure there was a T&C that included all this and you waive rights to complain about this or join a class action about it.

T&C being enforceable and acknowledged by court systems is a true failure of modern society. There should be a hard character limit on any enforceable T&C agreed to by individuals.

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by grotorea »

alister wrote: post #227
grotorea wrote: post #78

Anyone else getting cloudfare blocked on TFA?

I tried 2 different IP addresses from Brazil and they got blocked. I tried an IP address from the USA and another from Canada, and both worked correctly. The message you get when you're blocked is: Sorry, you have been blocked You are unable to access dillan.org Performance & security by Cloudflare Why have I been blocked? This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you…

Blocking countries seems to be possible. No idea why do that on a personal blog, maybe a DDoS?

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by ufmace »

beardedmoose wrote: post #235
ufmace wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this goes right back to the parent's point. I presume you personally could set that up. I probably could too. But 99% of the world isn't tech experts and can't do that. Or fix it if something goes wrong. Even if you can, you might just want to go to bed and not have to debug a broken assistant integration first. The benefit of cloud integration, for that 99%, is that there is a professional out there to keep…

Until they just decide to stop supporting it one day until you buy a new $4k bed.

Well yeah. But:

1. That's exactly why I prefer a plain old analog mattress that needs zero tech or support from anyone ever

2. Even with that being the case, for the average consumer who wants an electronic/controllable bed, it's still a better deal than anything that requires a custom home automation setup. Check out the prices for hiring somebody who can actually troubleshoot that.

Re: How to get root access to your Sleep Number bed

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Post by MisterTea »

robin_reala wrote: post #186
miah_ wrote: post #169

Pretty wild. I used to have one of these beds, but it was before everything got "smart". It had two corded controller's hooked up to the pump. The controller displays the number and had up/down arrow buttons to adjust. No internet required. No Linux powered microcontroller required. My bed couldn't get hacked. I slept in comfort.

What I’m trying to teach myself to do whenever I think “this is ridiculous overcomplexity” is to imagine whose life it might make simpler. Let’s assume I have some sort of motor disability: it could be anything from Parkinsons to quadraplegia. Having a bridge out to a common controller that maybe works on speech or some other standardised input method that works for your disability is a massive benefit. And avoids ha…

This line of thinking is similar to "wont someone think of the children!" where harmful things are done in the name of good and designed so fighting them puts one in a precarious position.

A bridge to a common controller doesn't need an applications processor with millions of bytes of memory to run millions of lines of code to change the firmness of a stupid mattress. Stop using hammers to solve all your problems, other tools exist.

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