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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by kristjansson »

asimpleusecase wrote: post #141

My guess is they will go AI generated content. Will pull the content of the website to use and style guide for the AI and prevent anyone else from training AI on their past content. Also I wonder if the lawsuit from New York Times against OpenAI has any impact. I could see new Vice owners try the same thing if New York Times were successful. But also, OpenAI defence is that they did not train on NYT archive but conte…

Why would anyone want AI generated content from Vice, the brand known for direct, novel, firsthand reporting from relatively unknown/inaccessible places? Why would anyone want to read what an LLM thinks North Korea is like? For that matter why do we think anyone will want to read an LLM’s take on anything that has to be grounded in a reality that wasn’t part of its training data?

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Post by swatson741 »

I personally never visited their website to begin with so this choice makes sense to me. It feels like thats true for most mainstream journalism sites. Very curious if this is a sign of things to come or just unique to Vice.

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Post by Scoundreller »

RankingMember wrote: post #198
Scoundreller wrote: post #32

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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

Ever more bummed about Fatwallet as Slickdeals continues to worsen with endless "sponsored deals" and censorship to force people to use their cashback and price tracking products.

I wonder what SuckIsStaples is up to?

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Post by mlekoszek »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #157
mlekoszek wrote: post #9

Is this actually as dramatic as the title implies? The email says "we will no longer publish content on vice.com." That doesn't necessarily mean they'll pull vice.com offline. Either way, between this and Pitchfork winding down, it really feels like we're entering new times culturally.

Were either site still culturally relevant? Both seem about a decade into their decline

Yeah -- you're right, this has been a long time coming. I just think the closures and layoffs these past few months have finally closed the chapter on the style of journalism and tastemaking they built.

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Post by truemotive »

I was watching Dark Side of the Ring on Vice TV the other day (a vice of mine by chance), and despite the fact that their eponymous block bold letter design language was intact during the promo commercials for upcoming shows, it was clearly all for Vice-adjacent syndicated TV shows that felt more at home on HGTV or worse. I was pretty shocked and figured they just suffered the same fate of The Learning Channel, may it forever rest in peace.

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Post by demaga »

fjfkjfdljkfd wrote: post #223
arsome wrote: post #183

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I think YouTube is the counter argument to this - long form content from passionate people has taken off pretty good there. Perhaps it's just me, but it seriously makes the rest of social media look like an absolute trashfire by comparison.

Youtube is pushing Tik Tok style "shorts" pretty hard. If you ever accidently click on one, the UI makes it very hard to find your way back, and easy just to sit and watch a bunch of 15-second clips. Even the long-form content is a minefield. The line between educational, informative long-form content (Clickspring, Tech Ingredients, Ox Tools, Matthias Wendel, Alan Millyard, etc) and "lifestyle entertainment" (Matt Ar…

Yes, I hated that Youtube felt the need to compete with TikTok and went this route. Short-form video is the worst medium to ever exist.

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Post by cududa »

arsome wrote: post #183
jacurtis wrote: post #180

Its sad that Vice feels like they can only gain value from social media and YouTube. I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

I think YouTube is the counter argument to this - long form content from passionate people has taken off pretty good there. Perhaps it's just me, but it seriously makes the rest of social media look like an absolute trashfire by comparison.

But I don’t like video or podcasts. My brain doesn’t learn that way. I like reading

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

jahlove wrote: post #105
ijustlovemath wrote: post #80

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I think he's principled enough to keep creative direction on it. And just like with All Gas No Brakes, if someone else takes ownership and he disagrees with their vision for the content, he'll just move to a different channel or platform. His fans are devoted enough that they'd follow him.

It seems noteworthy to point out there are multiple, credible sexual assault allegations against this man: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1149748975

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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by HenryBemis »

krisoft wrote: post #217
simlevesque wrote: post #177

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1.2 efforts which grants you residual revenue for life. Doing it is a no brainer, but some people lack one.

It can be also that some decision makers feel it is too much hassle. Or they don’t even know it is an option. For you and me doing this would be probably an afternoon’s work? (Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less) For someone less technologically inclined it could be seen as a big project. They need to find someone capable of doing it, they need to ask for a quote, they need to supervise the project otherwise the contr…

The ChatGPTs of this world will solve that. I like to believe that I know a couple of things about a couple of things regarding technology and sometimes I ask ChatGPT or Gemini "how can I do so and so, list/name five pieces of software or technical solutions to do so-and-so".

I use it/them as a search engine on steroids. Maybe it is time more people also do so.

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