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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by RIMR »

crop_rotation wrote: post #226

I have never owned an iPhone and even I find this a very bad idea. A lot of people buy iPhones because they prefer the choices made by Apple. If there were secondary AppStores, you would have a Metastore and a Googlestore very quickly, since Whatsapp and Google Maps have become indispensable for large parts of the world. You don't even have to take them off Apple store, but make newest features custom store only. The…

Nobody is forcing anyone to use third-party app stores. The EU is just forcing Apple not to engage in anti-competitive practices.

If you want the security of an all-Apple ecosystem, you will still be free to do so. If I want the freedom to install whatever I want to my iPhone, I will be free to do so.

Nobody is trying to take away your right to use your phone as you want, they are trying to grant you the right to use your phone as you want.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by ericmay »

hamandcheese wrote: post #203
frizlab wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari on iOS does have support for extensions or am I missing something?

Extensions that are less powerful and must go through App Store review. Which is fine, if you want that keep using Safari! But I'd like to run actual Firefox.

Why not buy an Android device then?

Once you remove these things that you want to remove, you wind up losing the very things that attract you to iPhone in the first place!

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Apocryphon »

frizlab wrote: post #202
cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

Same here. Side loading will open the door to a whole new category of malware/adware/crapware. Yes of course the App Store is not perfect but at least Apple has control over it and can stop things when they are degenerating. I’m not looking forward to a new Facebook VPN that will “enhance my phone,” available through side loading only, that I will of course never install but which my grandma or another unsuspecting e…

Meta is already in the regulators' sights. Data harvesting is not something the EU is blind to. Presumably there would be injunctions made against them from so easily pied pipering users into doing that. Not to mention, most users do not want to have to jump through more hoops just to have the same old FB/IG/WhatsApp experience. They'd balk.

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Post by jeroenhd »

theshrike79 wrote: post #107
paxys wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is available (and dominant) on desktop yet Firefox and a dozen other alternatives are doing just fine. There's no reason why it shouldn't be the same on iOS.

According to StatCounter Firefox's market share of all browsers is 2.93% followed closely by Samsung Internet(?) 2.59% and Opera 2.26% I wouldn't call that "just fine". If not for Safari (18.84% market share) Google could just dictate what happens on the Internet, because Chrome-based browsers would be the de facto standard. The only reason sites still bother to support non-Chrome browsers is the fact that people on…

While I agree that Firefox probably is nowhere close to Chrome in terms of market share, StatCounter isn't a great source of information here. StatCounter works through trackers, which are blocked by default on common Firefox installs.

Sites work well in practically every browser because we're not living in 2005 anymore. Some missing APIs are broken, but how often do you really need WebSerial on your phone.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by RIMR »

cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

I have great news for you: The hyperbolic nonsense you just described will literally never happen.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by dotnet00 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

When it's a company you like and don't feel like you've been hurt by, it's very easy to not even realize the bizarre rationalizations you're applying. Only in hindsight does it become obvious.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by redeeman »

maccard wrote: post #190
disiplus wrote: post #168

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Ok, so what, apple can still claim you have the same protection if you use just our app store. And I have the ability to use the alternative store where I can download a game without paying apple 30%. It's great.

It won't be an alternative store, the game will get pulled from the app store. Now, despite the fact that I bought an iOS device to avoid having to deal with shitty third parties, I'm forced to use the epic store and whatever else.

yes, zuckerberg is literally holding a gun to you head, "INSTALL META OR ELSE!"

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by stale2002 »

tinus_hn wrote: post #200
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted

There will be! After the law goes into effect it will be the iPhone.

Feel free to not install internet browsers that you don't like though.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by jacquesm »

quickco wrote: post #224
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> iOS is a fantastic operating system. iPhone and iPad are stellar hardware with brilliant physical UX. Apple Watch is leagues beyond anything else in its class. I will keep buying Apple stuff until I can't anymore. People want Apple’s quality, reliability and performance, but also want no restrictions so they can run any app and install anything. Those things aren’t compatible. E.g., Windows and Linux (Desktop distr…

It's mostly a matter of how much you can throw at it in terms of resources. If there was a five dollar charge for every Linux kernel running you could have all of those and you'd probably still have cash left over.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Apocryphon »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #173
andersa wrote: post #112

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It's just BS. Privacy and security are OS functions, not part of an app store. iOS has a good base here already - certainly much better than windows where every app can just arbitrarily read every file on the computer...

> Privacy and security are OS functions Naive take. Network sockets, remote servers, and data brokers don't care about local file permissions and an OS won't be able to tell me if corp-surveillance.justbuyme.com might be a domain hosting a privacy-disrespecting service without some sort of human-mediated reputation service.

Then we can look forward to an exciting front in the arms race that is computer security. Surely Apple, for all of their engineering and design brilliance, are up to the challenge?
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