EU should follow the EU's lead and open itself up in the name of openness and fairness. Instead, they're working to make it easier to expel immigrants.
It's open for legal migrants, not for illegals, same logic applies for developers vs hackers.
EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
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#172Will this include the ability to compile apps for iOS without requiring Apple made hardware/software (that specifically must run on MacOS)? Have never understood why developers haven't kicked up more of a fuss over that restriction, but it's why I would never write iOS apps as a hobby.
No. I don't think tooling is included in this.
I assume many people are hard at work to get a free version of something like the xcode build system stood up. It's mostly there already, but I haven't seen anyone put the parts all together in a way you can self-host.
I think iOS hobbyists these days usually use a SASS build system with a free or cheap lower tier.
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#173I was at [IAPP Global Privacy Summit]( https://iapp.org/conference/global-privacy-summit/ ) 2022, where Tim Cook gave a keynote. He started with highlighting all of the ways Apple protects its users privacy (many of which are great, and the reason I use Apple products!), but then he pivoted to make the case that Apple being forced to allow rival app stores would compromise their ability to protect users' privacy. Thi…
It's just BS. Privacy and security are OS functions, not part of an app store. iOS has a good base here already - certainly much better than windows where every app can just arbitrarily read every file on the computer...
> Privacy and security are OS functions
Naive take. Network sockets, remote servers, and data brokers don't care about local file permissions and an OS won't be able to tell me if corp-surveillance.justbuyme.com might be a domain hosting a privacy-disrespecting service without some sort of human-mediated reputation service.
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Switch to another phone then. Easy peasy. Why would you buy a phone with this known limitation if you care about it?
Now apply this argument to PCs in the 90s and you can probably see how dumb it is.
Was Microsoft preventing people from installing firefox on their PCs? Am I misremembering this era?
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#175Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#176I was at [IAPP Global Privacy Summit]( https://iapp.org/conference/global-privacy-summit/ ) 2022, where Tim Cook gave a keynote. He started with highlighting all of the ways Apple protects its users privacy (many of which are great, and the reason I use Apple products!), but then he pivoted to make the case that Apple being forced to allow rival app stores would compromise their ability to protect users' privacy. Thi…
It's like taking a rabid badger as a roommate. You can in theory keep it cornered in its own room (sandbox), but there's no way to be 100% sure it'll stay there. You can be absolutely sure that it will never stop trying to get out. App Store apps can be trusted to stick to a sandbox because they are vetted to a standard before being allowed there. There's no reason for Epic-F-Droid-Store have their applications adher…
If the sandbox can be imposed on an OS level then apps on alternative stores will have to conform to the same baseline of security restrictions.
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#177There will be side-effects of well-intentioned, feel-good policies of supporting multiple app stores:
- Malware including ransomware, password theft, and identity theft
- Lookalike, counterfeit apps
- Software piracy
- Lowering of curation standards by Apple
Certain other software bits cannot be open sourced, including specific cryptographic keys. There is a great deal of Darwin/XNU that is already FOSS.
What would be helpful for r2r would be the availability of schematics and Apple-proprietary custom variants of third-party chips. Certainly, T prefix chips can't be too freely shared without weakening the integrity of the security baked into Apple products (no pie puns intended).
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What is the user base of Firefox now? Single digits, last I hear. Chrome just keeps growing. Once iOS no longer uses WebKit as it’s base, the Chrome Blink will dominate.
So what? That does not affect those of us using Firefox.
You don't know how many websites you're using do totally different things under an if (Chrome) though, or will in the future.
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Lesser of two evils principle maybe? I defend apple in this one appstore topic not because I think apple is good, but just better than google and facebook. Of course the longterm solution is to get better legalization on privacy protection etc. But before that, I really prefer apple as a proxy between me and google/facebook/etc.
If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.
I'm rather indifferent on the matter, but this doesn't quite hold true. It's possible (likely?) that a someone big - one who ordinary folk would go through the jumps for - would only publish their app via side loading (or alt app store) and use this to bypass some of the policy restrictions wrt privacy on the App Store. This then becomes a slippery slope and would act as a platform to allow other apps through.
The tough part of "just don't side load" is when we have a somewhat contemptious relationship with some of the services you use, and they only offer their apps via alt methods.
Worth noting that Epic Games couldn't get this to work for Fortnite (for a period they only offered Fortnite via a sideloaded apk), and I don't believe Facebook as tried this.
There's also the finer details - if alt browse engines are allowed, will non-web browser apps start bundling and shipping their own browser engines (similar to the electron situation on desktop)?
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Chrome is available (and dominant) on desktop yet Firefox and a dozen other alternatives are doing just fine. There's no reason why it shouldn't be the same on iOS.
According to StatCounter Firefox's market share of all browsers is 2.93% followed closely by Samsung Internet(?) 2.59% and Opera 2.26% I wouldn't call that "just fine". If not for Safari (18.84% market share) Google could just dictate what happens on the Internet, because Chrome-based browsers would be the de facto standard. The only reason sites still bother to support non-Chrome browsers is the fact that people on…
> people on iOS monetise REALLY well compared to other segments
And therein lies the motivation to "open up" Apple's ecosystem, people just can't stand looking at all those dollar signs without being able to get their hands on them any way possible.
"So Apple just gets exclusive access to their users' money?!?" Well, they are the ones that built and maintain the ecosystem. Everyone else just wants to get in there and extract wealth like slash-and-burn rainforest developers or strip-miners.