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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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You won't, because once Chrome becomes available it will kill every other browser vendor.

Chrome is available (and dominant) on desktop yet Firefox and a dozen other alternatives are doing just fine. There's no reason why it shouldn't be the same on iOS.

Mobile is large enough to keep desktop working too.

Firefox really isn't doing just fine, though Google might decide to keep them alive through browser payments just to not look like a monopoly.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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About time. Never understood how apple seemed immune to this when the likes of Google and Microsoft were targeted for their monopolistic behaviour.

I'm still waiting for the DMA to apply to Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo Switch.

If Apple is forced to allow third party stores, I can't fathom a reason why Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wouldn't have to do the same.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

> I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation.

When individuals choices start to actively harm society laws are often created to prevent more harm.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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> However, I absolutely love that all the developers including the likes of Meta or Uber have to bow down to Apple's rules, which are mostly beneficial to me. I don't want to download apps from alternative app stores. I want them to be available in App Store and to be submitting to all of the curation rules. On Android, you have to abide by Google's rules if you want to be in the Play Store; Amazon's if you want to b…

I believe companies like Meta could afford to leave the Apple App Store and distribute apps through their own app store only. Perhaps you might say that would be fair, but it is a world that suits me less than the current one.

So why is that not happening for android?

You don't have to come up with hypothetical scenarios if you already have a real life example to look at.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Doesn't Apple hold a monopoly on the iPhone/iPad ecosystem? Why am I not allowed to install Firefox or Chrome (real Firefox or Chrome)?

Not anymore than Honda or Ford hold a monopoly on their cars…

I mean didn't we already rule that as true? That's why there are so many laws forcing the manufacturers to produce and sell parts for N year, allow third party repairs shops, etc.

Like of all things to pick cars are literally a place this has played out where Apple would be in the wrong.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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You won't, because once Chrome becomes available it will kill every other browser vendor.

Chrome is available (and dominant) on desktop yet Firefox and a dozen other alternatives are doing just fine. There's no reason why it shouldn't be the same on iOS.

According to StatCounter Firefox's market share of all browsers is 2.93% followed closely by Samsung Internet(?) 2.59% and Opera 2.26%

I wouldn't call that "just fine".

If not for Safari (18.84% market share) Google could just dictate what happens on the Internet, because Chrome-based browsers would be the de facto standard.

The only reason sites still bother to support non-Chrome browsers is the fact that people on iOS monetise REALLY well compared to other segments.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

One approach that might be reasonable is for device makers to provide a hypervisor to control actual hardware access, and then implement their environments in virtual machines running under that hypervisor.

iOS then becomes just one environment that the phone's owner can choose to run under that hypervisor. Within any given environment the maker of that environment should be free make it as open or closed as they want.

The device maker should have to make it easy to run different environments.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

Lesser of two evils principle maybe? I defend apple in this one appstore topic not because I think apple is good, but just better than google and facebook. Of course the longterm solution is to get better legalization on privacy protection etc. But before that, I really prefer apple as a proxy between me and google/facebook/etc.

If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then.

You can do it on MacBooks as well.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I believe companies like Meta could afford to leave the Apple App Store and distribute apps through their own app store only. Perhaps you might say that would be fair, but it is a world that suits me less than the current one.

So why is that not happening for android? You don't have to come up with hypothetical scenarios if you already have a real life example to look at.

This actually happens in China and every phone manufactures has their own app store. It's a shitshow
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