I wish Gnome would stop rethinking things and just reimplement the basic desktop features every major competitor has, and that Gnome 2 had.
Why not just use Mate (Gnome 2 fork)?
Rethinking Window Management
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use almost exclusively fullscreen windows in macos. A couple of apps are splitscreen. I like to have 2 terminals side by side. And there is a kitchen sink screen where I put random windows.
I tried that (e.g. having one workspace for my fullscren IDE, then to the "right" of that a workspace with a fullscreen terminal), but I found macOS rearranged my workspaces, so about 10% of the time when I went to the app by Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-Right I'd end up looking at a different app. So annoying! I found there was an "Automatically rearrange Spaces based on most recent use" which I could switch off, which helped…
Yes, you must switch off the rearrangement. Never had a problem with it. I 3-finger-swipe. Don't know if that's any different from using the keyboard.
Waiting for the animation is annoying and stupid. macos knows where the focus will end up and should ate least switch it when halfway there. It is a bug imho.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really appreciate apps that open new windows where it makes sense, but I'm pretty sure the reason it died out is because people started using too many windows for conventional floating window managers to handle. I'm not sure if many people really felt the burden it would have caused, because the growth in number of windows arguably began with having many webpages open at once, and firefox, and then later internet e…
It was definitely ie7 and not ie6 that had the tabs.
It was the first thing they added to IE after years of letting it rot to put something out against the rising popularity of Firefox.
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#234> Overlapping windows can get messy quickly Yeah dude... that's one reason why the Minimize button exists on Windows, MacOS and KDE etc for so long. When you see some feature exists for this long on this many good desktop environments, you know it's too important to...say...been removed (from default setting)? Also on the same note, Taskbar (or Dock on MacOS) is also important... It's so important that on SOME deskto…
> Taskbar (or Dock on MacOS) is also important
Yet many people set it to autohide. At that point the difference between pressing super, a hot corner or autohide is quite minor.
> one reason why the Minimize button
One feature I like in gnome is the title bar clicks. Double-click or middle-click anywhere on the title bar feels much nicer than hitting the specific tiny maximize/minimize buttons. Unfortunately, as far as I remember that is also off by default (though easily turned on in tweaks). However, I would be perfectly on board, if gnome had that as the default instead of minimize buttons.
Re: Rethinking Window Management
#235I wish Gnome would stop rethinking things and just reimplement the basic desktop features every major competitor has, and that Gnome 2 had.
Starting with something as basic as bringing back the path input textbox in file dialogs. I mean... it's a file dialog! What else but inputting file _paths_ is it good for?
ctrl+l? Or am I misunderstanding what you are asking for?
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
You made me think about how my phone has 5 times as many pixel across as my first PC(I personally owned) yet I can't do half as much with those pixels as I could with that PC.... How is 3000 pixels not enough to let me arrange windows myself but 640 was?
I know you are just ranting, but the size of the corresponding pixels is just vastly different. You can VNC/RDP into a desktop from your phone — try to actually click what you want afterwards. Let’s not pretend that designers are mentally challenged or something.
And distance from your face?
Also, how large are the button on your on screen keyboard and how do they differ in proportion to screen size compared to the referenced older format?
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#237Any system that tries to guess what I want isn't going to work.
For example, when my browsers or mobile devices try to guess automatically when I want audio to start playing, they're almost always wrong.
Open a browser? Why is a video playing in one of my 30 tabs?
Unplug earbuds from my tablet? Why is an audiobook now playing? I didn't even have the audiobook app open, and haven't listened to any audiobook in months.
If your design relies on intelligently guessing what the user wants, but doesn't actually use any intelligence to do so, then your design is shit.
Give users the tools to do what they want quickly and easily. Don't guess.
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#238As a longtime macOS user, while I don't mind the rest of how it handles windows/apps I've never liked the fullscreen mode that was added in 10.7, and the GNOME fullscreen mode mentioned in the blog post is identical. I don't maximize windows often, but when I do I don't usually want the window to be spirited away to its own separate universe, and the apps that actually need fullscreen implement that functionality ind…
> the GNOME fullscreen mode mentioned in the blog post is identical after being given a macbook pro for work, i can't stop thinking that gnome developers/designers people are just people that didn't manage to get hired by Apple, and just keep copying mac os over and over again.
And win 11 is a gnome copy..
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#239I'd love to chat with the gnome guys. They miss so much and I'm not sure why. 1) The WM must remember where my windows were and put them back when reopened. Never mind how X apps took on this responsibility, under Wayland the app should not know its context. It's also not right to put the burden on every app when it could be in the WM to provide consistency and unburden all the other devs. 2) I use a 55" screen where…
I think that describes aptly why no paradigm is fitting for everyone... > 1) The WM must remember where my windows were and put them back when reopened. Never mind how X apps took on this responsibility, under Wayland the app should not know its context. It's also not right to put the burden on every app when it could be in the WM to provide consistency and unburden all the other devs. I want to explicitly put them w…
> > I also don't want my windows to shrink and move around when I do invoke that panel. That's so jarring and completely unneeded.
At this point I think GNOME guys are looking for reason they are still employed and change shit for no good reason.
Or you know, people are visual - it’s much easier to find that open document based on its outline than based on YourEditor - A… title and an icon that is shared by many windows.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
My screen is 4 and a half feet wide. I use Windows Power Toys on Win and a Tiling windows manager on Linux. Each app goes to their specific location. The center 1920x1080 is for the main focus and the rest is for peripheral/supporting apps. Here's what my development desktop looks like[1] 1: https://keeb.dev/2022/06/12/I-made-a-keylogger/desktop-full....
I must say when you said your screen was 4.5' wide I had a negative reaction. How could someone use that much real estate? Wouldn't your neck hurt from the looking around? However, after seeing your screen capture I have to say that I'm pretty impressed and kind of want a super wide screen for myself now. Main content in the center with no overlapping windows means that everything is within eyeshot without having to…
Some tips - I use the Samsung Odyssey G9[1]. It's curved. The curve helps with having to use your neck as it wraps around your periphery. I think in ultrawide setups a curve is a must if you're sitting close to the desk. Here's what it looks like from sitting POV[2]
I use an Ergotron HX[3] mount for my desk to keep its very large feet off of it and maximize real estate.
1: https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/49-odys...
