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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by ciphol »

eatplayrove wrote: post #216
impossiblefork wrote: post #214

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Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

Are these 50% of newborns Belgians/Swedes by some divine right? Why aren't the rest Belgians/Swedes?

Their skin is too dark.

(/s or whatever the appropriate way is of disassociating myself from this idea)

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Post by ni10c »

technobabbler wrote: post #190
pmoriarty wrote: post #134

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"Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony" It boggles my mind that anyone would consider to be harmonious a society that kills, imprisons, tortures, censors, and brainwashes so many of its own people.

They use "harmony" the same way we use "freedom": as propaganda for control and imperialism. How do you sell violence to the populace? For collectivist countries, it's "they are unlike us, we will show them our ways." For individualist countries, it's "we are unlike them, we will show them our ways." It doesn't really matter what noble buzzword you attach to your violent ideology, in the end you have a hierarchical s…

I nod in fierce agreement. True words

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Post by 1_player »

ricardobeat wrote: post #230
1_player wrote: post #222

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When it happened in the United States we called it the land of the free and the melting pot, but somehow it's bad when it happens in Europe. Fuck racial and cultural purity. Get on with the times.

The US almost completely wiped out the native population, so everyone was an immigrant, and united by the idea of a free country. That’s a form of cultural uniformity, just like cultural heritage in Europe.

How was having people from all over Europe cultural uniformity? They could not even agree which version of Christianity to believe in. They arrived as Germans, Brits, Irishmen and Italians and now they're all indistinguishably Americans, and still are able to celebrate their heritage.

Wiping out the native population is a very sad moment of US history that doesn't invalidate my point.

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Post by copperwater69 »

gigatexal wrote: post #211
eloisius wrote: post #203

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Are you making thinly veiled references to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about replacing white people in Europe? I wouldn't assume so quickly, except that in your recent comment history you've repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements. I'm not gonna flag or downvote your comment, but at least have the personal honor to be direct about what you're insinuating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30681863 https://new…

Should there not be some platforms or speech that is ridiculed to death? I think they should be: anti-semitism (really any racism — it has no place on HN) or even the xenophobic fears of white Europeans being displaced… smh

I think its wrong to call it xenophobia when your culture and race is at risk of being diluted and minimised into a minority in your own country. I would even go so far as to call it xenophilia if you welcome that for your own people.

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Post by allendoerfer »

Loic wrote: post #229
misja111 wrote: post #221

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The idea that there would be something like a 'pure Belgian', or Dutch or French or whatever, is an illusion. How many of those 50% new Belgians had all Belgian ancestors? And not some French, Dutch, German, Italian .. person somewhere up in their family tree?

A pure French exist! A pure French has "core values". He is proud to be French, a bit arrogant, a bit thinking like his country is big ("la Grande Nation"), the source of all the enlightenment philosophers, that English has more than 30% of its words directly taken from French and that without French cuisine and mode, and his magnificent country for the people to visit, the world would not be a place to live, can dis…

You make the EU actually use French as a working language, even though German has far more native speakers in Europe and is also a working language nobody insists on using. You also make the whole parliament move to Strasbourg every other week for no reason.

But at least you are comitted to the EU, so as long as the ECB stays in Frankfurt, we are fine with your special treatment. Although you could tip better ...

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Post by pvaldes »

treeman79 wrote: post #172
pvaldes wrote: post #133

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> It’s shocking how much pain you can be in if your willpower is strong enough. Or you are drugged with something strong enough. A much simpler explanation that doesn't require to believe in guys developing supernatural superpowers.

I was speaking from personal experience. Including having my insides burned away for multiple minutes without numbing agent. Stupid doctor. Really bad kidney stone comes somewhat close to that. Or severe nerve damage that causes every waking moment to be a nightmare. That one isn’t Not as bad acute as kidney pain. But it lasts a long time and doctors always think your faking. One can build up a lot of tolerance.

I'm sorry for your experience. Colon cancer treatment, I guess?. Hope you are better now.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by treeman79 »

pvaldes wrote: post #236
treeman79 wrote: post #172

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I was speaking from personal experience. Including having my insides burned away for multiple minutes without numbing agent. Stupid doctor. Really bad kidney stone comes somewhat close to that. Or severe nerve damage that causes every waking moment to be a nightmare. That one isn’t Not as bad acute as kidney pain. But it lasts a long time and doctors always think your faking. One can build up a lot of tolerance.

I'm sorry for your experience. Colon cancer treatment, I guess?. Hope you are better now.

Poison. Clots, vascular and nerve damage

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by ogogmad »

copperwater69 wrote: post #234
gigatexal wrote: post #211

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Should there not be some platforms or speech that is ridiculed to death? I think they should be: anti-semitism (really any racism — it has no place on HN) or even the xenophobic fears of white Europeans being displaced… smh

I think its wrong to call it xenophobia when your culture and race is at risk of being diluted and minimised into a minority in your own country. I would even go so far as to call it xenophilia if you welcome that for your own people.

In principle, I'm willing to accept the right of countries to protect their "cultures" by limiting immigration. Within reason though: Once a person gets citizenship of a country, that right is irrevocable, and that person is as much a member of the country as any of its natives.

But it's hard for me to do that when these culture protectors are outright racists and scumbags. Which they so often are.

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Post by michaelscott »

1_player wrote: post #233
ricardobeat wrote: post #230

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The US almost completely wiped out the native population, so everyone was an immigrant, and united by the idea of a free country. That’s a form of cultural uniformity, just like cultural heritage in Europe.

How was having people from all over Europe cultural uniformity? They could not even agree which version of Christianity to believe in. They arrived as Germans, Brits, Irishmen and Italians and now they're all indistinguishably Americans, and still are able to celebrate their heritage. Wiping out the native population is a very sad moment of US history that doesn't invalidate my point.

As parent said, all those Europeans went to America because they shared roughly the same ideals about what America could be. That's the foundation of any culture, and because it's shared it's "uniform". This is not the case in Europe, where people in different regions (never mind countries) can have very different ideals formed over the course of sometimes thousands of years

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Post by michaelscott »

clove wrote: post #204
technobabbler wrote: post #82

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IMHO only, not an expert/informed analysis: Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony if left to a separate authority (the real Dalai Lama). The Chinese grand social experiment of a strong state can only really work if they are relatively culturally homogenous, whether in Tibet or Hong Kong or Xinjiang or Taiwan. Dissent plants the seeds of change, and the CCP's system doesn't work when there is too much diversity of…

"Their government doesn't work on 4-year competitive cycles like ours does..." Not that I don't agree with your idea that the CCP work on a longer time horizon than the US govt, but China does run on short-term cycles, namely its 5-year plans: https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0284_14th_Fi...

Goal of the short term cycles is different. In the US the goal is to remain in power through votes. In China, where remaining in power is a given, the goal is to use the time to make impact on the country's progress, for better or worse
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