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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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loopdoend wrote: post #187
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #133

I used to eat sardines every day trying to get the health benefits of fatty fish. They were packed in soybean oil. I drank the oil too. With time I began to have bizarre mental issues that I finally tracked down to the sardines. Sardines packed in olive oil don’t cause this issue. That’s my anecdata to share.

Best to buy ones packed in water. No idea as to the quality of the oil used.

Yep, you can always add oil yourself if you like the taste. I also recommend buying the ones that have the skin and bones, because there's a lot of nutrition there. The bones are barely noticeable. This was the brand I went with: https://www.amazon.com/Crown-Prince-Sardines-Water-4-25-Ounc...

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Post by fswd »

hirundo wrote: post #36

I went all carnivore 15 months ago, and a side effect of that is the removal of all seed oils from the diet. The results include complete remission of my diabetes and associated fatigue and brain fog, the loss of more than 60 excess pounds, greater joy of life and emotional stability, and a new, regular desire to exercise and move my body. I don't know how much of that is about cutting out seed oils. I am getting lar…

I've been eating beef tallow past three weeks. Not strictly carnivore, but using the broth and oil from my cooking pots. Wow I feel great. The best part is that the beef tallow is free. I went to the butcher and asked for some fat trimmings, they laughed and asked me what for. To render tallow. I got a 5lb bag for free.

Also I discovered I can use Rosemary in the fat, for flavor and memory improvement.

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by SnowProblem »

Pxtl wrote: post #204
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #133

I used to eat sardines every day trying to get the health benefits of fatty fish. They were packed in soybean oil. I drank the oil too. With time I began to have bizarre mental issues that I finally tracked down to the sardines. Sardines packed in olive oil don’t cause this issue. That’s my anecdata to share.

Maybe that was oils in general? Eating too much cooking oil makes me feel like absolute crap mentally, regardless of type. Obviously the syndrome described in article is possible in your case, but the article sounds like a chronic accumulated damage thing, not an acute reaction just after eating.

Recently I learned the Whole Foods Plant Based diet avoids processed oils altogether, including olive and coconut. Not sure I could go that far myself, but it's interesting to know that people do it, and it's the one diet known to reverse cardiac disease.

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Post by telchior »

jesterpm wrote: post #212
telchior wrote: post #184

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Tortillas should be pretty easy to make at home too, although I've had a tough time finding a press that doesn't break.

They are really easy. I have a tortilla press, but I don't like it (the tortillas weren't thin enough). I've just been rolling them out with a small rolling pin.

Yeah, the thinness was my issue as well. Which is how my press got broken: pressing too hard. (That, and extremely low quality iron being used to make it.)

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Post by pengaru »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #133

I used to eat sardines every day trying to get the health benefits of fatty fish. They were packed in soybean oil. I drank the oil too. With time I began to have bizarre mental issues that I finally tracked down to the sardines. Sardines packed in olive oil don’t cause this issue. That’s my anecdata to share.

The higher end canned fish are available cooked in their own juices without any added water even [0].

As with anything quality varies substantially. I personally stay away from any of the oil-packed fish. Wild caught sardines in water with no additives can be found, even cheaply from the Season kosher brand.

[0] https://davesalbacore.com/product/3-25oz-no-salt-king-salmon...

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Post by zemvpferreira »

telchior wrote: post #44

Taking account that this is unproven in humans -- it's enough for me to avoid soybean oil, as cooking oil choice is not very important for my palate. That said, which oils would you use for frying and baking? Most high smoke point oils are, like soybean, polyunsaturated, so I'd guess that they could have some of the same (proposed) negative effects. Bonus points if the alternative is widely available (I see potential…

Why not fry in tallow and other animal fats? I'm not an expert in this at all, but I will at least make the argument that we have historically eaten more animal fats than vegetable oils, so we might be better adjusted to it. I'd love to hear from someone who's more educated.

Plus, they taste amazing.

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Post by telchior »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #199
telchior wrote: post #115

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Yes, but olive oil has a low smoke point and is not used for the same applications. Otherwise I'd happily use it for everything.

This is something of a modern myth — me and my ancestors have been using olive oil for all forms of cooking for centuries. It does fine in high heat applications, you just need to vent off the smoke. Flavor isn’t affected in any noticeable way. There’s some YouTube videos with more science behind the “low smoke” oils and the myths of their being bad for cooking at high heats.

I do use EVOO for pan frying and sometimes just let it smoke. However, I thought I could detect an altered flavor as a result. Will have to read more, thanks!

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Post by abeppu »

> Used for fast food frying, added to packaged foods, and fed to livestock, soybean oil is by far the most widely produced and consumed edible oil in the U.S.

Just in terms of the scope of the problem ... is there any evidence that these findings apply to humans eating products from livestock fed with soybean oil? If not, surely what matters in this context is not how much is "produced and consumed" but how much is consumed by humans?

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Post by netmonk »

crowbahr wrote: post #69
simonsarris wrote: post #4

> The same UC Riverside research team found in 2015 that soybean oil induces obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance, and fatty liver in mice. Then in a 2017 study, the same group learned that if soybean oil is engineered to be low in linoleic acid, it induces less obesity and insulin resistance. > “The hypothalamus regulates body weight via your metabolism, maintains body temperature, is critical for reproduction and…

From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

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Post by bongoman37 »

danlugo92 wrote: post #100
crowbahr wrote: post #69

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From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

Go try and eat only coconut oil for say, 2 weeks, you'll feel the difference.

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