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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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> Are there people in the US that want factory jobs? The only way to make manufacturing at home competitive with overseas is full-scale automation. It won't create jobs to bring it back onshore - nor should it for exactly the reasons you specify. Instead, it would be a strategic investment.

Except automation can’t change on a dime. It also is bad at all kinds of things… just see Musk’s commentary on why they backed away from so much automation with Model 3 for humans.

> It also is bad at all kinds of things…

For now. The trajectory is pretty clear, and the goal would be to shoot for where the puck is going, not where it was.

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Everyone new this back in 2016. On May 16, 2016 - China blocked Apple iTunes, Movies, etc [0]. On the same date, Apple invested $1B in Didi (Chinese “Uber”) [1] and magically China unblock Apple. So what’s new in this story? [0] https://amp.scmp.com/tech/leaders-founders/article/1945616/a... [1] https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0Y404W

> So what’s new in this story?

A lot more.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I think you misjudge how much the Anglophone world looks down on America, and Americans in general. We take great pride in Australia of our differences from that place. We're much more similar to the British (and them to us) than to the Americans.

... And yet there's a net brain drain to the US.

1 in 3 people resident in Australia is an immigrant. I don't think Australia is losing the immigration game, all things considered.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Everyone new this back in 2016. On May 16, 2016 - China blocked Apple iTunes, Movies, etc [0]. On the same date, Apple invested $1B in Didi (Chinese “Uber”) [1] and magically China unblock Apple. So what’s new in this story? [0] https://amp.scmp.com/tech/leaders-founders/article/1945616/a... [1] https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0Y404W

But the Apple book store and movie store were never restored, and Apple was forced to move their iCloud servers onshore to Guizhou. What did Apple gain from this apparent extortion?

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It’s not that they didn’t cave, Google products are unavailable due to sanctions. Google Search for example was heavily modified for the Chinese market.

> Google Search for example was heavily modified for the Chinese market. Do you mean something other than Project Dragonfly, which was terminated?

Google had been running search in China up till 2010, and it has been censoring its results according to Chinese government wishes. Then, Google found out that China has been hacking them, got angry and left.

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> ... seeking to merge with other democratic nations (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan). That presumes that other countries want to be part of America. I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. The only folks tripping over their shoelaces to be US states are Puerto Rico and DC. > America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. E…

> I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. Ironically, the hardest challenge for the British during the war was to keep their soldiers from deserting to the US. Since there was no way a young British male could legally come to America from the UK, joining the army then crossing into America was their only hope. Ironically today, the countries named by the GP (Au…

> ... but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America!

That's not the same thing as wanting to abandon independence. Folks go to work in other countries not because they want their home country to be America. Those smart highly-educated workers aren't moving to America so much as the Bay Area to work at tech companies and make money - based on my personal experience and that of every other immigrant I know. Even those that went on to become US citizens wouldn't begin to entertain the idea of folding in their home countries.

I've lived in America for years but I certainly have zero interest in "merging" in Canada. I couldn't want anything less, tbh.

They're both unique and interesting countries in their own rights, with quite different peoples and values.

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> ... seeking to merge with other democratic nations (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan). That presumes that other countries want to be part of America. I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. The only folks tripping over their shoelaces to be US states are Puerto Rico and DC. > America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. E…

> tripping over their shoelaces to be US states are Puerto Rico That's inaccurate, repeated votes for statehood in PR have failed.

Failed is a misrepresentation. They haven't been overwhelming victories, but the majority of voters voted to become a state in the most recent vote.

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I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

What happens with satellite view? What happens in Google Earth?

Google Earth isn't available to the chinese.

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Not disagreeing with what Thiel is saying here, but it's pretty hypocritical for him to be criticizing here considering he's the co-founder of Palantir, a company that feeds some tasty tasty morsels to the surveillance state and military-industrial complex.

Thiel seems to genuinely believe the USA, and the west in general, is in an existential struggle with forces intent on destroying it. I can’t speak for him, but maybe Islamic fundamentalists, authoritarian autocracies like Russia, Chinese communism, etc. If you genuinely believe that, then putting ever more powerful intelligence gathering tools in the hands of western governments, even at some risk of threats to free…

> Thiel seems to genuinely believe the USA, and the west in general, is in an existential struggle with forces intent on destroying it.

As much as I dislike Thiel, he does have a point there: Russia is actively funding misinformation campaigns with the aim of splintering Europe (e.g. by funding far-right political parties like the AfD in Germany or the Brexiteers in the UK), and China is a threat on a geo-political level (New Belt Road) as well as a military threat (e.g. Taiwan), not to mention their Third Reich-inspired genocide against the Uyghurs and Tibetans.

The world is in a "war of cultures" indeed - the remnants of the Western democracies versus strong authoritarian governments. And we haven't found a way to counter Russian or Chinese political ambitions yet.

> That’s especially true if you have good confidence in the checks and balances in the free west to prevent the worst abuses of such tools, and that the threats are truly dire.

Under normal circumstances, that confidence would be valid. Unfortunately, we have our own actors who have an interest in tearing down these "checks and balances" for their own gains (e.g. the Republicans systematically destroying trust in public institutions, from elections to the integrity of the FBI, or Poland and Hungary where the rulers want to stay in power and enrich themselves and their friends)... which means we as Western nations are in a "lose-lose" situation. We can't combat propaganda effectively for a variety of reasons, and as a result of that the propaganda tears down our societies.

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