ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

Post by EveYoung » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #162

ipaddr wrote: post #106

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Like a journalist covering China from Hong Kong? Some people try to make the world a better place. Your message is personal freedoms matters more than my beliefs. That is not true for everyone. Many will turn in their own mother to save themselves others will put their lives on the line to save your mother.

That's the fair point among the objections here, re: HK, because you've identified a state actor doing arguably a wrong thing, but would such a state actor be able to satisfy Swiss law to compel the email vendor here to act? The other objections are about whistleblowing on private parties, discrimination or in one case a corrupt petty politician/magistrate. None of them would generate a safety concern to someone prot…

Post by dylan604 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #228

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #202

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Yeah I also bought a lifetime plan from that cloud storage company few years ago, scammed by the marketing page, only to find out somewhere in the settings page that my data were never in switzerland or even in EU but were physically in US, and had to pay to move them to EU, just deleted my account, I guess the swiss thing is just a marketing scam

>> In one example, it's a cloud storage company, they say on their marketing page and their about page that they are based in Switzerland and under Swiss law, but if you look at the legal pages the company you sign up with are actually based in Bulgaria. Their servers are based in Texas, USA and Luxemburg, Europe and their development team in Bulgaria. > Yeah I also bought a lifetime plan from that cloud storage comp…

Post by lnxg33k1 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #233

tablespoon wrote: post #228

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>> In one example, it's a cloud storage company, they say on their marketing page and their about page that they are based in Switzerland and under Swiss law, but if you look at the legal pages the company you sign up with are actually based in Bulgaria. Their servers are based in Texas, USA and Luxemburg, Europe and their development team in Bulgaria. > Yeah I also bought a lifetime plan from that cloud storage comp…

I'm confused on the lack of naming names. It's not libel if you show the pages being discussed as evidence. So I'm not sure what the cause for the pussyfooting around name and shame.

Post by jd3 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

Post by SeanLuke » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:46 PM UTC

audiometry wrote: post #230

plater wrote: post #34

Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…

Switzerland deserves no brand for secrecy. USA broke their back. They opened their private banking. Their Crypto AG was totally rooted.