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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by google234123 »

Spivak wrote: post #223
zepto wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that’s only benefiting those with capital The irony of this is telling. I have to assume you are unvaccinated, and unaware that you are being publicly critical of the government.

There’s something wild about being so liberal that people assume you’re conservative. I’m very much vaccinated and also upset that our government left the out most vulnerable people with $1400 and a thumbs up, fucked over out healthcare workers, pushed people back to work rather than give any meaningful assistance and put everyone at risk, did basically nothing to control housing costs all while the stock market post…

Once you get far left or right enough there's not much difference for those in the middle. Both sides want to destroy their way of life.

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Post by 6510 »

lambdaba wrote: post #62
game_the0ry wrote: post #24

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I wish someone at YouTube could explain, but the recommendation algo is nothing like what it used to be. Every refresh would bring a gem, now it's mostly the same videos, often from the same channel if I happened to watch a few in a row... Very odd.

It looks like it uses only a hand full of recently watched videos.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by mertd »

_fat_santa wrote: post #77
finfinfin wrote: post #49

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Every TikTok user I know tells me that the primary reason they use it is the algorithm. Apparently it’s way ahead of YouTube. Anecdotally I am in the same boat as you—ended up removing the YouTube suggestion sidebar with an adblocker due to its increasingly poor quality.

One anecdote that I heard about the TikTok algo is that it favors new creators with I feel like this is what really helps TikTok always have fresh content. If you want to become a YouTuber, the path to having a good following can be years of grind. With TikTok, there is a good shot your first video might just propel you to stardom. Thus more people are inclined to create content for TikTok. It creates a feedback loop

YT content is more longform and making that good and engaging takes tons of practice according to my observation. Look at early content of some big names like MKBHD for example. You can see the potential in them but they are nowhere as good as their new content.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by willcipriano »

franciscop wrote: post #222

Note that this is "average time on app", which draws two potential pitfalls: • Youtube is consumed A LOT on the website, including some people using the mobile website (not the app) to keep it playing in the background (duh). This only compares average time on app. • It could also be totally skewed, if let's say 100M people spend 2h/day on average on Youtube, and 1k (a tiny amount) spend 2.5h/day on average on Tiktok…

I imagine NewPipe users alone could account for a large chunk of time. I leave it on overnight frequently.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by csours »

malwarebytess wrote: post #200
csours wrote: post #182

TikTok feels so incredibly fake. I know that a lot of that same fake content is available on YouTube, but on YouTube, I can subscribe to creators that do real things or offer substantial and interesting critiques. TikTok and Facebook video feel like broadcast TV - highly over-dramatized and over-hyped. Again, I know the same is available on YT, but I can also use it my way.

It really isn't. I get only normal people on my tiktok, but I also only follow normal people and tend to "not interested" all checkmarked accounts when they show up.

Hmm maybe it's because I don't have an account. I guess it's the default feed syndrome.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by skylabmelody »

evanmoran wrote: post #225
starik36 wrote: post #220

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I have yet to see a single CCP propaganda video on TikTok. What exactly are you seeing?

They aren’t showing propaganda videos, they are filtering out what makes them look bad and emphasizing what makes them look good. Update: here’s a reference to leaked documents to this effect: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/...

Just like Youtube scrapped from its search results the full version of that July presidential town hall video because it was not looking so good.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by fragmede »

okamiueru wrote: post #8
anshumankmr wrote: post #2

Something as massive as YouTube can be beaten. This feels like the circle of life, considering every empire that rises eventually falls too. Though I am not saying TikTok is the doom for YouTube since geo politics will play a significant role its future. And there are other metrics by which TikTok hasn’t probably caught up with YouTube yet like the size of the user base, revenue etc. What seems odd is how TikTok is m…

Don't they serve very different demographics and/or interests? I've been assuming TikTok is the equivalent of "what is trending today", where "what" is something related to dance moves, or other stuff I don't find very interesting. (Or, it's not that I find dance moves uninteresting, it's just that it's not something I'd want to spend time consuming). Are my assumptions wrong, and there is genuinely interesting, and…

Is the barrier to entry (installing yet another app on your phone) onerous in some way that I don't see? Otherwise it seems straightforwards enough to install the app for yourself and see what's on there.

There's a ton of content that isn't thirst traps (aka teenagers dancing), but while that's an interesting question to dig in to, if enough people switch mediums (from newspapers to radio to TV to YouTube to Tiktok), there doesn't have to be an overlap for one to largely supplant the next. How's the New York Times doing these days?

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by dakial1 »

csours wrote: post #235
malwarebytess wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn't. I get only normal people on my tiktok, but I also only follow normal people and tend to "not interested" all checkmarked accounts when they show up.

Hmm maybe it's because I don't have an account. I guess it's the default feed syndrome.

TikTok "ForYou" algorithm is very very impressive in its recommendations. 2 people might have very different experiences with TikTok. So if you start using with some regularity, even if you don't press like in anything it will figure out what you like and what you don't. I am very curious about how it measures content engagement.

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Post by seph-reed »

csours wrote: post #182

TikTok feels so incredibly fake. I know that a lot of that same fake content is available on YouTube, but on YouTube, I can subscribe to creators that do real things or offer substantial and interesting critiques. TikTok and Facebook video feel like broadcast TV - highly over-dramatized and over-hyped. Again, I know the same is available on YT, but I can also use it my way.

I'm glad someone else feels it.

I gave it a shot, and once I got the algorithm to recognize me... it was addictive, but fake as fuck. Nothing really felt like it had love in it. And as much as I tried to push the algorithm towards educational content that actually taught me something new, it could only really show me silly "life hacks" that were clever, but I'll probably never use.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by zepto »

Spivak wrote: post #223
zepto wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that’s only benefiting those with capital The irony of this is telling. I have to assume you are unvaccinated, and unaware that you are being publicly critical of the government.

There’s something wild about being so liberal that people assume you’re conservative. I’m very much vaccinated and also upset that our government left the out most vulnerable people with $1400 and a thumbs up, fucked over out healthcare workers, pushed people back to work rather than give any meaningful assistance and put everyone at risk, did basically nothing to control housing costs all while the stock market post…

I didn’t assume you were conservative.

I just think it’s weird to attribute the things you are complaining about to ‘capitalism’, and that if you are going to make such broad statements, then it’s weird to claim there are no benefits to those ‘without capital’ when there plainly are.

I happen to also be critical of most of the things you are criticizing. Blaming ‘capitalism’ doesn’t seem to offer anything. The word has become interchangeable with ‘the bogeyman’.

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