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is this it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_b4NRTB6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY I would guess
This is the one
Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
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I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...
Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!
FYI you're trading a known risk (COVID infection, complications, possibly lasting ones, eg. [1]) for a perhaps hypothetical, certainly very unlikely, one.
[1] https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1402614193195393029/pho...
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#233Dr. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Robert Malone (invented mRNA tech) and Steve Kirsch had a most fascinating discussion on youtube that touches on this, but touches on much bigger direct and indirect issues as well. I'd urge people to watch: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY?t=591
This was worthwhile. Not sure why you're being downvoted.
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Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effec…
My wife died from myocarditis 2 months ago. The only thing she tested positive for was COVID. The coroner's report however, was quite clear that COVID did not cause her death or the myocarditis and that there has been no such reported case anywhere in the world. If anyone has information to dispute that I would be very interested to see it. Thanks
I wonder how many other coroners ruled a case of myocarditis to not have been caused by a recent COVID infection because other coroners had not been willing to make the association either?
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#235Something I wonder about: What if inflammation like this is common in many illnesses and simply goes undetected? A previously unseen symptom because no one was paying attention and small illnesses like colds don't receive the level of scrutiny that Covid-19 received.
Wouldn't the control group have the same level of inflammation in that case?
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Natural infection won't provide as long lasting of immunity compared to the mRNA vaccines. And if the vaccine is going to inflame your heart, I seriously doubt it's going to be anything but far worse from the natural infection.
Can someone explain why this the mRNA vaccine (which tells your body to produce spike protein and thus mimic the virus) produces long-lasting immunity but the actual virus which is being mimicked does not do that?
There was a piece about this on NPR (I think earlier this week, but I can't find it right now).
It sounded like they're making some assumptions because the mRNA vaccine causes most people to produce a higher level of antibodies for a longer period of time vs the real virus. However, antibodies are not the only part of immune system, so it's possible that other parts of the immune system may still be effective.
The real answer is we don't know that yet conclusively, but we do know the vaccine is effective, so until we have a better understanding it's a good idea to be vaccinated regardless (especially if you have any risk factors).
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#237The response to this, of course, will be "well the risks of the virus are still higher than those of the vaccine so you should still get it," but I think that misses an important point here. In the absence of long-term safety data on these vaccines, we have engaged in a priori deduction instead: "there's no known mechanism by which mRNA could cause any complications, so it should be fine." The appearance of any signi…
I suggest your interpretation of such reasoning is questionable? I would posit any serious medical and or regulatory body is fully aware that an absolute statement like "no known mechanism" resulting in complications isn't worth much in the face of highly complex and sometimes still little understood mammal bio-chemistry? What can be asserted with confidence though, is that in the presence of vaccines, severe effects…
> "to the great benefit of the health system and society overall"
I don't think we can say anything about what the net effect will be, seeing as the mRNA vaccines are novel in significant ways.
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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#239Something I wonder about: What if inflammation like this is common in many illnesses and simply goes undetected? A previously unseen symptom because no one was paying attention and small illnesses like colds don't receive the level of scrutiny that Covid-19 received.
Wouldn't the control group have the same level of inflammation in that case?
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COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...
Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effec…
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