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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by drcross »

EMM_386 wrote: post #54
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to.

You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brain barrier and affecting the heart. As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about and the smartest people I know have reached the same conclusion.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Kognito »

eckesicle wrote: post #138
Kognito wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effec…

My wife died from myocarditis 2 months ago. The only thing she tested positive for was COVID. The coroner's report however, was quite clear that COVID did not cause her death or the myocarditis and that there has been no such reported case anywhere in the world. If anyone has information to dispute that I would be very interested to see it. Thanks

I’m so sorry for your loss, myo is a terrible illness and so poorly understood by the medical community - even cardiologists seem to have a hard time recognising it.

There’s a good deal of info available in medical journals relating to covid and myo. I’m no doctor though I’ve researched it well since being diagnosed.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by pcbro141 »

Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

I'm curious if you were prescribed any treatment for myocarditis if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Fomite »

beefman wrote: post #35

This is based on VAERS data. I encourage the curious to look at this data. I did. I would characterize its quality as so poor that probably no conclusions at all can be drawn from it. And I usually find myself defending the use of noisy and/or small data in similar situations.

The...stunning mediocrity of VAERS data is in the "it is known" category, and has been since well before I started graduate school. It's important because it's useful for emergent self-reported issues, but there's a reason the concept of post-licensure trials exist.

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Post by Fomite »

DaniloDias wrote: post #74
beefman wrote: post #35

This is based on VAERS data. I encourage the curious to look at this data. I did. I would characterize its quality as so poor that probably no conclusions at all can be drawn from it. And I usually find myself defending the use of noisy and/or small data in similar situations.

What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Put another way: Isn’t VAERS a necessary solution to ensure that the healthcare system does not misrepresent the safety of the vaccines? Transparency should be a first principle requirement for science.

The answer is a Phase IV clinical trial, which a number of vaccines have undergone post-approval and I suspect the COVID-19 vaccines will as well.

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Post by munificent »

drcross wrote: post #161
EMM_386 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines.

Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

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Post by dekken_ »

lootsauce wrote: post #137
newsclues wrote: post #87

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I’m listening to the livestream on Bret Weinstein’s channel and they are discussing data that states the opposite including data that shows a concentration in the ovaries.

is this it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_b4NRTB6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY I would guess

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Fomite »

codyb wrote: post #88
notjes wrote: post #80

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Covid-19 is meticulously measured and tracked in every human being, but no one is interested in adverse vaccine effects. Things that make you think...

No one's interested in adverse vaccine side effects? That seems rather counter to my impression which is based on the number of adults who're hesitant and the fact that FDA halted use of Johnson and Johnson vaccines once already and Europe has had it's own fair share of hand wringing about the Astro-Zeneca vaccine.

Working with data from monitoring vaccine side effects were two of my early projects in graduate school. They are intensely monitored - vaccine data is some of the best quality data in the infectious disease world.

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Post by dkarras »

drcross wrote: post #161
EMM_386 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

That... doesn't make sense. You WILL get exposed to this virus. Worst case, the virus will be able to do the same and more without any prior training for your immune system. If you said "I'll try not to get covid" I'd say "Impossible but godspeed" at least your logic would be sound.

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Post by Fomite »

dependsontheq wrote: post #148
bonzini wrote: post #71

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Somebody even made a copypasta about it in Italian. My translation is the following: "I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Pfizer vaccine, is in fact, the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, BioNTech plus Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer did not develop the vaccine by itself, but rather another company called BioNTech created the original formula, which went through…

Watching the various vaccines fail in production or in clinical trials gives an interesting perspective on what an amazing and lucky combination BioNTech/Pfizer are. So I think we should be grateful for both companies, amazing scientists and amazing engineers.

The speed and effectiveness are astounding. I was braced this fall for "It's probably worthwhile for high risk individuals" effectiveness metrics in the 50%'s.
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