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Post by slibhb »

howinteresting wrote: post #218
slibhb wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a contradiction in terms. Supporting trans people means believing that transition is not some sort of "regrettable outcome". No one is saying transition is a "regrettable outcome". What people are saying is that some people may think they are trans and then change their minds later. In these cases a watchful-waiting approach is better because it may allow the person to avoid life-altering decisions like sur…

> No one is saying transition is a "regrettable outcome". Actually a lot of people say that, cf rhetoric about "a lifetime of hormones and surgery". As someone who has had surgeries and expects to be on hormones for the rest of their life, I think what I did to my body was good, not bad.

You are universalizing your lived experience. This invalidates the lived experiences of other people, who differ from you.

Ironically, misapplication of moral universalizing is what leads people to be bigoted against trans people in the first place.

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Post by zozbot234 »

stonecraftwolf wrote: post #215
slibhb wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a contradiction in terms. Supporting trans people means believing that transition is not some sort of "regrettable outcome". No one is saying transition is a "regrettable outcome". What people are saying is that some people may think they are trans and then change their minds later. In these cases a watchful-waiting approach is better because it may allow the person to avoid life-altering decisions like sur…

Something like less than 1% of trans people regret transition, and of those half of them regret it because of social costs, i.e., bigotry from transphobes, and another big chunk regret that they transitioned as binary when they were in fact non-binary or vice versa. Fundamental to your argument is the idea that we should not trust trans people about their lives or their feelings. It’s bigotry. Whether you’re aware of…

> Something like less than 1% of trans people regret transition

Sure, but most of the contention by far is around kids and teenagers who are kinda sorta thinking that this "trans" thing they keep hearing about in their social milieu might perhaps apply to them, and statistics align with the (eminently reasonable) expectation of higher regret rates in that restricted subgroup. It's not a simple problem, there are very real issues involved.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Steko »

ramphastidae wrote: post #55
Black101 wrote: post #38

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HN appears to do some shady stuff too... sometimes it is users flagging post (like a mega-downvote) and sometimes it is the admins controlling the speech. I'm not sure why HN needs flagging and down-votes... because flagging is being abused all the time (and I think that some users get super-heavy-flagging-powers, a bit like low level admins).

Flagging is the least bad system I’ve seen so far. HN can be configured to show flagged or dead posts as well so it doesn’t really compare.

The least bad system is far more transparent.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jonfw wrote: post #79
high_derivative wrote: post #15

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And these employees are deleting subreddits (e.g. gender critical), suppress media they don't like..it's really surprising reddit has not found attention the same way twitter or facebook have. Maybe because of their political leanings.

People have been complaining about reddit's moderation for years, but I think due to the anonymity it's not being looked at the same way as twitter or Facebook. It's closer to a tabloid than a newspaper

It definitely has it's issues but it's not on the level of facebook or twitter just yet. I can kind of see them circling their wagons to protect a staff member given past reddit overreactions that end up with the staff member getting doxed and death threats all over the internet. Mostly because of the pile on mentality of a lot of redditors.

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Post by debacle »

LunarRover wrote: post #161
debacle wrote: post #24

My interaction with reddit is now nearly zero. I turned on ad block some time ago. I will visit /r/todayilearned in the early morning while laying in bed, and I will use subreddits to research purchases. It is much more satisfying to remove /r/all from the reddit equation. I can't even visit my local subreddit anymore because the amount of censorship by moderators is staggering. The dark marketing, once you can see i…

What's the alternative? As a Digg v4 refugee, I've always wondered. Trouble is that deep knowledge of niche communities has taken 15 years - a not-insignificant portion of a lifetime - to accumulate. If the site dies, so much specialised discussion is scattered where it'll be far harder to find.

There isn't one right now.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by generalizations »

LunarRover wrote: post #153
sonthonax wrote: post #78

Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal dut…

+1 the Linehan article is explicitly hateful. I think this is an attempt to defend her from that contravention of the hate speech policy, and is more cock-up than conspiracy IMO.

Conspiracy to hide a negative article? Could just be a cocked-up conspiracy.

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Post by 9387367 »

mellosouls wrote: post #23

As much as I resent the control-weenies flagging stuff they disagree with, I don't like the title editorialising here which could be read as an attempt to shame and punish rather than discuss. Please can we merge with the original threads and consider keeping the source titles. Another example here with a clear and explanatory title: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/mb1vpb/rukp...

I posted this and I disagree, a drama subreddit is the least place this should be discussed, this is about silencing Redditors and abuse from admins who are paid Reddit staff.

As per title change, please see my comment at the time of posting.

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