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Are you willing to die or have your countrymen die to stop it? Because that’s likely what it would take.
Many Muslims are willing to fight to save their Uighur brothers and sisters being genocided.
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Many Muslims are willing to fight to save their Uighur brothers and sisters being genocided.
How many pre-dominantly Muslim countries have come out in outrage to criticize China's policies?
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China did liberate the area from feudalism by killing the ppl living there in the first place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide China intentionally and resettled the uighurs there in first place after having killed 80% of the population that lived there. How can you make an historical argument without mentioning this small detail?
And you failed to mention the small detail that what you linked to happened in 18th century, not post WWII, or anywhere close to 20th century. Not even led by the same ethnicity — Qing rulers were Manchus. Do we really need to bring up colonialist genocides?
But the parents argument was that from chinese perspective China has liberated the foreign state Turkestan and brought enlightenment to this region.
Considering the Genocide this interpretation seems somewhat dubious. And yes, i would expect such colonialist atrocities come up same as with other countries.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
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As I've gotten older, I've come to really feel like humans just haven't been around that long and we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology. WW2 wasn't really that long ago and neither was the the American civil war, both wars based on race and atrocities. I think it's a bit of a fallacy to think that just because some country is technology and economically advanced it will have correct moral value…
> WW2 wasn't really that long ago and neither was the the American civil war, both wars based on race and atrocities I don't think the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was racially motivated. > in America we aren't as far gone (but there are people in America who probably wouldn't mind killing other groups). I agree. I think the definitely-not-fascist leftists in USA are dangerously close to lynching whites. Oddly, so…
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I had a professor (a historian who studied Auschwitz) who used to argue the opposite. Germany was a modern, industrialized nation, with an educated population - and yet the majority of the population either actively committed genocide, or were complicit in some fashion. My professor thus argued that the conditions for the Holocaust are not unique, and there could easily be another one.
Really curious why I'm getting downvoted.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
I had a professor (a historian who studied Auschwitz) who used to argue the opposite. Germany was a modern, industrialized nation, with an educated population - and yet the majority of the population either actively committed genocide, or were complicit in some fashion. My professor thus argued that the conditions for the Holocaust are not unique, and there could easily be another one.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
I had a professor (a historian who studied Auschwitz) who used to argue the opposite. Germany was a modern, industrialized nation, with an educated population - and yet the majority of the population either actively committed genocide, or were complicit in some fashion. My professor thus argued that the conditions for the Holocaust are not unique, and there could easily be another one.
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Yes. How long until we can get to 100%? Hopefully valuing life and allowing people to choose will become just the default.
I don’t understand how you can say something like that with a clear conscience. But then again I don’t understand how China can treat the Uighurs the way they are and sleep at night either. I suppose people just rationalize other people in collective societal delusion as “sub-human” to the point where it’s easy to ignore.
There is also the matter of quality of life to think about. Is it better for a mom living in poverty, addicted to drugs, stuck in an abusive relationship, to bring a child into that world? I think that would actually be quite selfish. If a mom couldn't bear to have an abortion because of guilt, or because she can't stand the idea of ending a life inside her, that would be her prioritizing her own emotional response over the well-being of her child