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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bunnycorn »

seiferteric wrote: post #76
ttul wrote: post #10

Is this incompetence the result of Microsoft being unable to retain decent engineers? I mean, who actually would want to work on the next Windows release? You’d have to be a masochist.

It's amazing to me. With the resources MS has, they could rebuild a new OS from the ground up and finally get rid of all the cruft and legacy issues in windows once and for all and still support legacy software via emulation, virtualization or even a compatibility layer a la WINE or WSL. Why don't they do it? Google is building fuchsia, Apple/NeXT was able to take BSD and build MacOS X, certainly MS can do it right?

It also amazes me, they didn't need much effort, just a mechanism like docker does and it will be fine.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Salgat »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

It's annoying but if uptime is critical you really need to change the settings for that. The reason Microsoft forces updates by default is because of all the incompetent computer users out there (especially older folks) who bitch and moan about how insecure and unstable their Windows that they haven't updated in 2 years is.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Salgat »

xxs wrote: post #176
fermienrico wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have all 3 systems: Mac, Windows and Linux. Most engineering softwares are only and exclusively available on Windows. I’m a Mechanical Engineer. Linux, I use for writing code with open source tools (gcc, clang). Mac, I use for general purpose computing and media consumption.

>Most engineering softwares are only and exclusively available on Windows. I’m a Mechanical Engineer. Out of curiosity, does it run under Wine or it has some DRM that prevents it?

If he is talking about simulation software (FEA) those can be pretty resource intensive.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by BuckRogers »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

That's easy enough to prevent if you peek into the update settings[0][1]. I have restarts blocked from 8AM-2AM, due to not wanting it doing it during the day when I walk away from work. You would want the opposite. Set that to 5PM-11AM and you'll never have a nightly restart again. I've used Mac and Linux but had issues with all of them, worst being desktop Linux with basic things (for a power user), and Mac software issues[2]. Windows 10 is in my opinion the best version of Windows yet, even if it's also imperfect. You definitely need to dig into the settings if you want things to be right for you, but that applies to every OS, including iOS and Android.

[0]https://i.imgur.com/ls2yNMh.png

[1]https://i.imgur.com/T4UTke6.png

[2]https://youtu.be/1AO3L-T14E0

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by jpfed »

sarreph wrote: post #215
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

It's funny you mention this as I had a very similar thought the other night when clean-installing an old gaming PC to try some VR stuff on. I'm used to using a Mac, and the update notifications can definitely be annoying, but Windows' default update behaviour is another level of excruciatingly bad UX. I assume — perhaps wrongly — that you can stop windows from installing updates on shutdown/restart. However, the othe…

And then it wants to finish those updates after you restart. This cost my wife so much stress when she'd fire up her laptop right before delivering a lecture, only to find it busy for minutes completing the update.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by tom_ »

nikanj wrote: post #206
tom_ wrote: post #186

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My own humble tip - switch this shit off. Here's what I've found to work for me: 0. install whichever Windows 10 has the group policy editor - I've got Windows 10 Pro, I think. (I'm at home right now and my work laptop is at the office) 1. run gpedit.msc 2. Go to Local Computer Policy\Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update 3. Double-click Configure Automatic Updates 4. Set u…

The absolutely infuriating thing is, as soon as a ”disable updates” hack gains posterity, Microsoft shuts it down. If you just follow the first Google result for disabling updates, you still end up getting reboots. It’s one of the most anti-user policies Microsoft has pulled, and they have a long list..

My understanding is that the group policy business is 100% intentional, and it's how you're supposed to do it. If you're an IT guy responsible for a whole pile of PCs, you need a way to stop them rebooting all the time, and this is how you do that.

MS know how their bread is buttered. Who there would dare shut this down? The program managers know that if they break this stuff, there'll be a legion of angry IT guys clubbing together to pay to have them killed.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by throwaway2048 »

Spearchucker wrote: post #26
mehrdadn wrote: post #12

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I don't hope Microsoft dies, I just hope they realize how unreasonably stubborn they are being in forcefully shoving every new update of Windows down users' throats, and and that they then stop doing it.

And thereby leaving millions of unpatched machines vulnerable. We just went through that with Android. No thanks. I think a more reasonable answer lies in Microsoft taking a better/different approach to Q/A.

Windows feature updates are pushed down the same pipeline, and installed automatically.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

fermienrico wrote: post #34
coeroble wrote: post #30

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I wanted to avoid giving details, but who cares? Get the ISO from here (it's a magnet link, load it using a BitTorrent client): magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6faec726c7bbb9248b3a3ed8d77bd1a7c4598f05&dn=en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_74865958.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr…

I purchased a full Windows 10 Pro license key and yet I am going to pirate the shit out of Windows. I don't want Microsoft siphoning off data from my PC. I don't want Cortana. I don't want ANY FUCKING THING except for a system that is minimal and it works. Why doesn't Microsoft make a developer friendly version NOT targeted for consumers (aka without all the bloat)!? Edit from the other post: Don’t forget the registr…

I too bought a Windows 10 Pro license, which was quite expensive. A while back I heard about the long-term service branch and I wanted to buy a legal license, but apparently it's only available for businesses and it requires purchasing at least 5 licenses. You can buy a LTSB license from third-party Russian vendors, but I think that's legally grey.

Recently I heard about Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, which allegedly doesn't include all the bloated crap and lets you disable most annoyances. But I haven't been able to definitively confirm this is the case. I read somewhere you can upgrade from Windows 10 Pro to Windows 10 Pro for Workstation, but it's quite ridiculous to pay them even more money just to remove / disable some features.

I've run a few programs that let you disable most of the things I don't use or care for... But you have to re-run them each major upgrade cycle, because Microsoft usually re-enables a bunch of crap after upgrades.

At this point I've pretty much accepted that Windows 10 is diametrically opposed to my interests, so I just try to avoid it as much as possible. I dual-boot Linux and Windows 10, and I only use it to play games which I can't easily run on Linux.

To anyone that feels like they have to comment because they're happy with Windows 10 and all those features: great for you! You can stick with something that you like and works for you. I'm not trying to force my preference down other people's throat.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

iaml wrote: post #146
capdeck wrote: post #43

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Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

I wish blizzard would release overwatch for linux, so I can forget about running windows.

If Blizzard released their games on Linux I'd be incredibly happy. Most of the time I boot Windows 10 it's to play Heroes of the Storm.

Have you had any luck running it with Wine?

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