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Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by cup-of-tea » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 7:31 PM UTC

jdbernard wrote: post #222

cup-of-tea wrote: post #47

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That's because vim and emacs have different purposes and the choices were not exclusive. I use emacs and even I know enough vim to get around and use it regularly. 25% of people claim to use vim, but for what? Occasional editing of individual files? In contrast, those emacs users almost certainly use emacs for everything .

I think your point stands, in that there are probably many casual users of Vim who inflated that number. However, I'd like to point out there are many of us, like myself, for whom vim usage is more than "occasional editing of individual files."

Sure, but if you were to count people who have gone "all in" on vim I don't think it would be that much higher than emacs. I've never actually met a serious vim user, but I've seen plenty of emacs use in academia.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by astura » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 7:51 PM UTC

gizmo385 wrote: post #212

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #175

Remember that this data is representative of Stack Overflow's audience, not of the entire industry.

I'd say that a pretty representative swath of the industry visits StackOverflow. What segment of the industry do you think is missing in this representation?

I've visited SO but I've never made an account, took a survey, or even know a survey existed.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by el_cid » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 8:08 PM UTC

cup-of-tea wrote: post #23

AstralStorm wrote: post #15

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And yet corporates still don't use it and schools don't teach it. This shows how much power opinions have.

It took decades for Python to be as popular as it should have been. Now it's got the point that it's overhyped. So maybe give it 20 years?

overhyped? why?

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by babaganoosh89 » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 8:48 PM UTC

pianoben wrote: post #3

arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #2

I love the part about SO developer story: 84% either do not use it or have never even heard about it (which basically shows its failure) yet insights team tries to interpret it as 40% actually using it. Based only on this point, I wonder how extremely biased their conclusions are overall.

Quite a few of those stats seem suspect. For example, I personally find it hard to believe that "80% of professional developers" prize Javascript above all other languages. Seems unlikely based on my network (which of course is a representative sample of all developers).

~50% of developers using standing desks is definitely not the norm either

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by zmmmmm » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 12:30 AM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #92

I quite enjoy the irony that Coffeescript—a language apparently invented to make Javascript more palatable—is the third most dreaded language in the survey.

I think the "dreaded" category is quite complex and hard to interpret. People can dread a language for a bunch different reasons that aren't necessarily related to the attributes of the language, or even how much it is intrinsically liked. One is a class of language where people run into it incidentally without having any deep experience, but are forced to interact with it, and find it very unpleasant. Groovy, for example, is as popular as Scala or Kotlin, but also one of the most dreaded languages, I think because there's a large number of people whose only encounter with it ever is when there's something wrong with their Gradle script that they can't figure out. Coffeescript could be a similar kind of case.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by dmh2000 » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 5:32 AM UTC

In the section "Valuing Compensation and Benefits by Geography", I was surprised that Germany (13.7%) and Canada (9.7%) showed similar results to the USA (11.5%) on the relative value of health insurance as part of compensation. I thought they had that covered.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by dmh2000 » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 5:41 AM UTC

dwhabcdefg wrote: post #159

As a queer female go programmer with over 15 years of programming experience, I did not realize how much of a statistical outlier I am. Neat. (I have trouble adopting the mantle of minority, as a well-paid middle-aged white person).

I just graduated to the elite 0.3% group, '65 or older'. Like you I like being an outlier.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by saimaus » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

mseebach wrote: post #161

erikb wrote: post #150

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Interesting that you feel you can use Vim to write Java. I love Vim, really. It's my most favorite editor of all time. But for Java I wouldn't want to miss the auto-complete, auto-import, debugging and fuzzy search features of an IDE.

I'm sorry if that was unclear, but I explicitly prefer IntelliJ Idea over either Vim or Emacs. I'm sure you can write Java in either, but, no, certainly not willing to give up on the auto-stuff.

There’s a VIM plug-in that lets you have the best of both worlds.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by wiz21c » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 8:17 AM UTC

dorgo wrote: post #220

boffinism wrote: post #35

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> who cares about a statistic about sexual orientation or ethnicity in a survey about IT People trying to make the IT industry accessible to all regardless of sexual orientation or ethnicity, who want to check in on how we're doing at that?

If you hire 50 random people (uniform distribution) the probability to get twice (or more than twice) as many employees of one sex as the other sex is about 3.5%. If you add ethnicity, age, sexual orientation etc. to the mix you will rarely get a random sample with all attributes proportional to their occurrence in population. Without quotas it will be really hard to be accessible to all regardless of [a long and eve…

Thanks for that answer !

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by cup-of-tea » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 9:41 AM UTC

el_cid wrote: post #233

cup-of-tea wrote: post #23

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It took decades for Python to be as popular as it should have been. Now it's got the point that it's overhyped. So maybe give it 20 years?

overhyped? why?

It's got to the point that people think their grandma should be learning Python and it's a big buzzword in business at the moment.