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Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by pianoben »

knightofmars wrote: post #103
pianoben wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few of those stats seem suspect. For example, I personally find it hard to believe that "80% of professional developers" prize Javascript above all other languages. Seems unlikely based on my network (which of course is a representative sample of all developers).

Where did you get the prized by 80% from? I only see the "Most Popular Technologies" and it has JavaScript at 71% and it's not "prized": https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#most-popular-... As far as it's popularity is concerned. It's not surprising the in least. If you have anything to do with web development you're going to have to use JavaScript. Making it "popular" out of necessity but not "prized".

I'm using "prized" here as a synonym of "favored"; perhaps it's a bit archaic. I don't intend to alter or misconstrue the meaning of the survey result.

Certainly, a front-end developer has a choice of compile-to-JS languages from which they can choose.

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Post by jdbernard »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #47
jedberg wrote: post #5

With all the talk of Vim vs. Emacs, it surprises me that Emacs is in the low single digits, while Vim is 25% of all respondents. It does not surprise me that it is 40% (and #1) amongst sysadmin/devops practitioners.

That's because vim and emacs have different purposes and the choices were not exclusive. I use emacs and even I know enough vim to get around and use it regularly. 25% of people claim to use vim, but for what? Occasional editing of individual files? In contrast, those emacs users almost certainly use emacs for everything .

I think your point stands, in that there are probably many casual users of Vim who inflated that number. However, I'd like to point out there are many of us, like myself, for whom vim usage is more than "occasional editing of individual files."

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Post by Izkata »

pc86 wrote: post #197
arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #2

I love the part about SO developer story: 84% either do not use it or have never even heard about it (which basically shows its failure) yet insights team tries to interpret it as 40% actually using it. Based only on this point, I wonder how extremely biased their conclusions are overall.

Both you and SO are including the "it's out of date" category in your "side," that's why. Also their choice of wording is odd, I would have expected "Yes, but it's out of date." as opposed to "No, I have one but it's out of date."

IIRC checking it out, even just out of curiosity and not filling anything in, automatically created a sparse one based on your Q&A activity. That could explain the wording.

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Post by frou_dh »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #180
frou_dh wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backend does not necessarily mean web technology. I'm reminded of an oft-lost distinction between "The (Inter)net" and "The Web".

I've not heard of other network services using the term "backend". Is writing a mail server "back end" development?

Yes. A rather uninspiring appraisal of cyberspace — web browsing & emailing — though.

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Post by branx »

Froyoh wrote: post #77

Was very surprised about the gender ratio: 92.7% Male, 6.8% Female, 0.9% Non-binary, 0.7% Transgender

I was confused about this one - Transgender isn't a gender, it's a change of gender. Why would it be a selection? Wouldn't a trans person identify with M or F?

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Post by pryelluw »

suprfnk wrote: post #93
arvinsim wrote: post #60

Whhy is the salary for F# developers high?

On that note: Anyone know of any good F# learning resources (preferably books/text) for an experienced C# developer who has only done a little bit of functional programming (Haskell, Clojure) here and there?

https://fsharpforfunandprofit.com/ is a great resource.

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Post by gemma »

Dowwie wrote: post #187

Who Is Ultimately Most Responsible for Code That Accomplishes Something Unethical? 19.7% voted "the developer who wrote it" Do Developers Have an Obligation to Consider the Ethical Implications of Their Code? 79.6% voted "Yes"

I initially bumped on this one too, but "obligation to consider" doesn't mean "obligation to quit their jobs over". You consider the ethical implications, you push back against management, management tells you sit down. Are you now obligated to quit? If you decide to keep your job, knowing that the code will be written either way, are you now ultimately responsible for it?

(Completely unrelated but the first thing that came to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKdgDX2dGh0)

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by mherrmann »

I think it's interesting how VS Code jumped from 5th place among web developers in 2017 [1] to first place [2]. This made Sublime Text lose a place, putting it in third. If I were ST's Jon Skinner, I would not be happy about having M$ as a (free!) competitor.

[1]: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-mo...

[2]: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#technology-m...

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

purple-again wrote: post #122
lucideer wrote: post #92

I quite enjoy the irony that Coffeescript—a language apparently invented to make Javascript more palatable—is the third most dreaded language in the survey.

Atom is written entirely in Javascript and I can edit it however I want??? Thats AWESOME! Wait its written in coffescript...fuck you. That's a replay of a real life experience that went down when I first heard of Atom.

The more layers you add, the less inclusive it becomes. Coffeescript is decidedly a divisive technology.
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