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Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by gozucito »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #211
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty strong to say there's no argument. I don't agree with it, but I imagine people would say reducing piracy leads to more money for the studio, which means more resources that can be put toward the game. Lots of people believe that, and we don't have a lot of data on opportunity costs for games including Denuvo. I personally just hate it and think Piracy is overblown. The only other industry I've seen be this hos…

>but I imagine people would say reducing piracy leads to more money for the studio they be wrong, there have been multiple studies even by the EU on how piracy does not reduce revenue. Besides that studios continue to pay for denuvo even after there game has been cracked. The article literally is about how all games with denuvo get bypassed on the day of the release, which means they pay for nothing except a worse ex…

>a worse experience for there paying customers

Actually, the legit buyers experience is better because this bypass is not a "proper" crack

1. They have to disable Windows security features before playing

2. Reboot their PC twice (before and after)

3. They're still running Denuvo code, same as legit buyer

Legit buyers experience is thus significantly better than pirates.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by motbus3 »

a2128 wrote: post #116

During the time of the Soviet Union, it was an urban legend that during supply shortages, Soviet factories would have no real work, but workers needed to keep up the appearance of working, so they would have one line of workers continuously assembling devices, feeding into another line that would continuously disassemble them, all in a loop where nothing gets produced. In many ways, it feels like we are seeing this t…

If you notice, if you said is correct, this means it would be incredibly easy to yank your ownership of GTA 5 simply by retiring denuvo related account.

All that would be publicised would be " GTA 5 denuvo key license is now over" and people would not know

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by ray023 »

Maxatar wrote: post #141
embedding-shape wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release [...] They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked Ah, so Denuvo is always removed after ~90 days after release, as there is no point for them to keep it there?

Not strictly after 90 days, but Denuvo is usually removed after the peak sales period for a game. It's really at a publisher's discretion when to remove it, as the sales model for Denuvo is that you have to continue paying for it on a subscription basis to keep it active.

This is untrue. Yes Denovo got removed from some games relatively early, but mostly it was long after this "peak sales window" I would have to make a list of how long it took for games, and I am too lazy to even ask AI, but I think it took years in some cases and a lot of community outrage for the devs to remove it, and they did not just remove it after some peak sales window but when the games were actually cracked and the steam forums were flooded with pissed of people who realized pirates had a better experience then actual buyers. THEN they removed it.

So it's more like after they were cracked rather than some time window, sometimes these may have been overlap.

1 year after release is for sure not "peak sales window".

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

pjc50 wrote: post #208
a2128 wrote: post #116

During the time of the Soviet Union, it was an urban legend that during supply shortages, Soviet factories would have no real work, but workers needed to keep up the appearance of working, so they would have one line of workers continuously assembling devices, feeding into another line that would continuously disassemble them, all in a loop where nothing gets produced. In many ways, it feels like we are seeing this t…

I have a slightly different story, told by a Romanian coworker who was old enough to have worked in a factory under Ceaucescu: the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. Managers would be able to take away complete items for "testing"; ordinary line workers would be limited to what parts they could plausibly conceal in their overalls at the end of the shift, then assemble them in their own time…

> Both "absurdly onerous DRM making the game unplayable, especially once abandoned" and "Rockstar spends $265m making the game, one person buys a copy, and everyone else pirates it" are bad outcomes.

Fortunately the second one isn't a real thing. There are many games that have already been cracked, or that never had any DRM to begin with, and there are still large numbers of people who pay for them. Because they want the publisher to continue making games more than they want to avoid paying Which is in turn why the DRM not only doesn't work but is actively harmful to the publisher. Getting people to want to pay is a lot easier when you're not actively pissing them off. Meanwhile the DRM gets cracked anyway and then you're worse off than when you started, because not only can they still pirate it, now more of them want to.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Dilettante_ »

ray023 wrote: post #220
cardanome wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Valve isn't the worst company when you buy on GoG you support a company dedicated to keeping things DRM free and preserving older games. Plus fight the Steam monopoly.

GOG and CDPR are not the good guys. They released a complete disaster of an unfinished game with CP2077, and they KNEW it was broken and still shipped this gigantic pile of trash. Their promo also included a bunch of made up hype trash that was completely just artificially created in video, and they made it seem like it was gameplay. So they LIED to hype their unfinished trash game. Much of that never made it to the…

>Also even the fixed game now is just a silly boring sandbox game, what makes it good is the story

Insane statement

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by TiredOfLife »

wilg wrote: post #93
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #82

Support GOG, support no DRM.

What games that are on GOG without DRM have DRM on, say, Steam? (Many Steam games have no DRM.)

Arkham Knight, Yakuza: Like a Dragon still have Denuvo on Steam but no drm on GOG

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by mft_ »

pjc50 wrote: post #219
dmos62 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. I think the context is important. These were people in poverty, in an extremely mismanaged society. You could get very little from actual shops. Most things would have to be bartered for. Stealing from the state accounted for a very important part of peoples' sustenance. My grandfather would try to explain it like this: even if you had money, there w…

Yes. Hence the stories of people (Brezhnev?) being astonished and baffled at simply walking into an American supermarket. Of course, one reason why there wasn't much on the shelves was it had been already stolen by other people closer to the source ... (something of a generic problem of low trust societies, not specific to Communism. I think we sometimes don't appreciate how valuable a high trust society is to us in…

Does the stealing come from the low-trust society, or does the societal situation drive people to theft, which we then label ‘low-trust’?

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by fl0ki »

SXX wrote: post #212
pjc50 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a slightly different story, told by a Romanian coworker who was old enough to have worked in a factory under Ceaucescu: the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. Managers would be able to take away complete items for "testing"; ordinary line workers would be limited to what parts they could plausibly conceal in their overalls at the end of the shift, then assemble them in their own time…

In Soviet times in Russia there been rhyme: Тащи с завода каждый гвоздь - ты здесь хозяин а не гость. Which is literally translates as: Take every nail from the factory post, You aren't a visitor, you are the host! And yeah almost everyone was stealing even if it would be things they absolutely not needed. Then you can change it for something you need or use it weird way in your home repairs. This is how some people…

Workers seizing the means of production is out, workers seizing the product is in.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by fl0ki »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #91
ktallett wrote: post #15

I've had to take a moral stance and move to just playing games on Gog that I can buy and own the files for. No I can't play the latest and greatest but it's not the end of the world as I've so many classics to still play and enjoy. I can't support lockdown and DRM anymore. If I buy I want to own, otherwise I've not bought. It is true, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Generally any game you can buy on GoG is also DRM free on Steam. I mention since many people have the incorrect notion that all Steam games have DRM

It's even weirder than that sometimes. For example, Subnautica on Steam has a hard dependency on Steam (whether or not you would call this DRM), but the exact same version number of Subnautica on Epic Game Store only checks for a command line flag and can easily be archived out. Despite that, it's not for sale on GOG.
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