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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mariusor wrote: post #220
seba_dos1 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.

What I was trying to tell you with my original reply to you is that Jolla chose a different point on the free/pramatic curve of available SoCs. They selected a phone that's more likely to be used by average people rather than a fully open one. (You can still see in this very thread, complains about the high price for what it offers, showing they haven't fully succeeded, at that.) Pointing out that they still rely on…

And what I was trying to tell you is that they're free to choose whatever point on the curve they want and pursue that as long as they don't misrepresent what they're doing. What is "full-stack alternative" supposed to mean when it relies on the very thing it's supposed to be an alternative to? What is Purism's effort then, "even fuller-stack alternative"? Words have meanings.

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Post by bmn__ »

aagha wrote: post #218
_Tomas wrote: post #178

I've been using Jolla/Sailfish since the first launch, totally love it. Apropos of the fact that nobody ever shows the actual OS, I did do a video showing the actual OS, if anyone wants to see it being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMfezSulhw To me this is way ahead of iOS/Android, the native browser sucks, and it requires some massaging to get everything running smoothly, but the UX is second to none. That…

Can you install Firefox?

Firefox 91 is installed on OS 5.0.0.73. Jolla just needs to spend resources to keep it up-to-date.

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Post by bmn__ »

user2722 wrote: post #154

Some people said it's using libhybris. I thought this one was vanilla Linux. Any pointers either way?

Yes to both. Sailfish is a reasonably vanilla Linux with GNU userland. You install libhybris if you want to run Android software in addition to the native software.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by koiueo »

asveikau wrote: post #171
koiueo wrote: post #119

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Enjoying his golden parachute

I'll say one good thing in hindsight about Elop. He's not all over the Epstein files like another MS executive of the era. Edit: Wow, I tried to be discrete and not mention him by name but I notice every time I mention Steven Sinofsky was close to Epstein I get downvoted a lot here. Look at this one I found searching for "elop" for example: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA006576...

I'm not really sure how Epstein files are related to Elop making a malicious (some say, stupid, but I don't believe it) decision. But I'm gonna use this argument from now on, relevant or not.

– they dropped production – at least they are not in Epstein files, like some other people

– they drove over speed limit! - at least they are not in Epstein files

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Post by nickserv »

postdoc74 wrote: post #172
kleiba wrote: post #138

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> Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. I've never owned a smartphone in my life and are not planning on getting one, and I'm going through life just fine.

Maybe you don't live in any European country. 2FA with cell phone has become compulsory for most banking procedures in Spain, to the point that I can even no longer assist my parents without being present there with them. Even when there is a web app, this randomly forces the user to confirm identity via phone. Every day this extends to more and more official proceduress these days (e.g. loging to EU pages, regional…

Don't know about Spain, but in France we can be sent codes via SMS for things like 3d secure.

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Post by femto »

Hackbraten wrote: post #201
femto wrote: post #27

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Beats me why banks can't use a FIDO2 enabled web site.

Because FIDO2 is not enough for non-tech-savvy people. The main issue is potential confusion about what transaction they’re actually signing. For example, a malicious browser extension can pretend the site sends money to X while actually sending it to Y. The European PSD2 directive mandates that the 2FA scheme must let the user see what they’re about to sign. At the very least, that includes the amount and part of th…

In this case, wouldn't FIDO2 only be used to log into the bank's website, not to sign individual transactions? (Corresponding to Mode2 in the Wikipedia article you provided?) Would this "mode2" only usage be allowed under European law, given that there is no transaction involving an amount of money taking place?

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Post by 10729287 »

_Tomas wrote: post #197
piezoftw wrote: post #192

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Good video, thanks. What was that yellow phone in the video?

Nokia banana phone (8110) running Gerda Linux. https://archive.luxferre.top/gerdaos

Love it. Can it sync with caldav/cardav ? Couldn't find the infos in the store.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by mariusor »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #221
mariusor wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I was trying to tell you with my original reply to you is that Jolla chose a different point on the free/pramatic curve of available SoCs. They selected a phone that's more likely to be used by average people rather than a fully open one. (You can still see in this very thread, complains about the high price for what it offers, showing they haven't fully succeeded, at that.) Pointing out that they still rely on…

And what I was trying to tell you is that they're free to choose whatever point on the curve they want and pursue that as long as they don't misrepresent what they're doing. What is "full-stack alternative" supposed to mean when it relies on the very thing it's supposed to be an alternative to? What is Purism's effort then, "even fuller-stack alternative"? Words have meanings.

"full-stack" is the word used by OP, not Jolla.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by fsflover »

thih9 wrote: post #90

> User configurable physical Privacy Switch - turn off your microphone, bluetooth, Android apps, or whatever you wish The "whatever you wish" seems to indicate that this is a regular switch that can be configured to turn off certain functionality. Is that true? I was hoping for a solution that physically disconnects the microphone/cameras/etc, or at least acts at some lower level than the OS. But if it's flexible and…

Librem 5 phone has such kill switches.

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Post by CamJN »

rekabis wrote: post #182
wackget wrote: post #151

I'm deeply saddened that they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack. There was a community poll and I believe a headphone jack was the second-most requested feature after a MicroSD slot. I appreciate they have to draw a line under the feature set somewhere, however the cost of an audio jack is literal pennies and I'm quite sure the PCB designers could have squeezed it in somewhere. As someone who has no interest in…

>they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack. This works wonderfully in quiet environments. But the moment you have any significant background noise, and need noise-cancelling headphones, this ends up being useless because no headsets do noise cancelling over a headphone jack - only internal batteries or USB connectivity. Even with those rare wired- optional headsets that accept headphone cords, the noise cancelling…

My Sennheiser momentum 3 wireless (the cans not the in-ear ones) are cable-optional and do noise cancelling with the cable attached as long as they have battery left. In case you're like me and REALLY need that combo of features.
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