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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Yes. It doesn't say anything about how they compensated him.

Is there always a dollar figure when some treatment becomes acceptable?

Depends on the treatment. If someone tortures me, then probably not. If someone hires me, I move to the other side of the world, they fire me in two days and pay me out a million dollars, then I would say it is very acceptable.

Also, compensation might be more than money.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> Trivial and harmless?

First, there's history.

Second, the POTUS himself - self proclaimed enemy of divisiveness - yapped "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Which was a lie. A lie for which he has yet to acknowledge, let alone apologize for.

The point is, people with an appreciation for history, and a willingness to exert their God given rights were being manipulated and maligned. That's not cool. That's not unifying.

To see it as trivial and harmless says more about you buying into the ruse than anything else.

History is clear my friend...be careful what you wish for, especially when your government is making big promises that hinge on your convenience and someone else's loss of liberty.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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The solution is right there in OPs post: “give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews.” Thats it. HR knows who is working on visa. Inform them of the situation, give them 3 months, take away all their accesses and let them spend the 3 months to look for a new job. Meta makes a bazillion USD pr year. Even…

Isn't this literally what's happening? (Except it's 4 months, not 3?)

The problem is not so much the money, but the damn Visa: The moment you become unemployed, the countdown clock to deportation starts ticking.

This is a HUGE stress, and also puts you at a disadvantage against your prospect employers.

IMHO, there should be legislation for covering these cases. I.e. when you sponsor a Visa as an employer, it should be mandatory to pay the employee for a minimum of 12-24 months. If you want to lay them off, that's fine, but legally they would still be considered employed and paid in full until that grace period expires.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I am assuming you haven't spent much time around the kind of people that didn't approve of the vaccine. Let me write out a string of thoughts that support saying empathy isn't a great core principle. At the start of the pandemic we are told it's no big deal. Then a few weeks later it's a massive deal. At first masks don't work so don't rush out and buy them. Then masks are mandatory in all public places. We then put…

Empathy isn’t the core principle of getting vaccinated. It’s just one of the reasons; and you cannot claim to be empathetic if you refuse to do it out of something that isn’t medical exemption.

The actual reasons are self preservation and slowing down a pandemic. And when people don’t care about the latter, that is an easy tell that yeah they have zero empathy.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there) Unless it changed in the last few years, Canadian work permits allow you to continue to reside in the country for the duration of their validity, even if you lose your employment. The vast majority of them are tied to an employer though, so even if you find another job, you need to go through the process again, which tak…

> Canadian work permits allow you to continue to reside in the country [...] majority of them are tied to an employer though. I understand there must be some rationale behind this, but from an outside viewpoint it's quite bizarre. The incentives are exactly opposite of what one would expect (either move out or become productive member of the society as easily as possible).

Canada don't care much whether immigrants are "productive members of society". You're free to spend your money in Canada, and as an immigrant without a job, you won't benefit from much welfare and such.

The only thing they care about regarding work permits is wether the job the immigrant will occupy could be filled by a Canadian citizen.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

> Why do they go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye?

Hiring is used as a metric for middle management.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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No matter which way you try and slice it, there's always a human at the end of the decision. A human made the policies, a human made the layoff decision, a human decides to enforce policy.

At a certain point, we need to start piercing the corporate veil and hold people accountable.

The term of art “pierce the corporate veil” literally exists because we already do this.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Do we have a reason to believe he was treated poorly?

I think the article describes in detail someone being treated poorly yes. Even in mass layoffs, every single employee should be treated with more care and consideration than this. Freezing hires entirely for a period before any layoffs could prevent this from happening for example.

But the article doesn't go into the terms of his termination at all!

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> Trivial and harmless? First, there's history. Second, the POTUS himself - self proclaimed enemy of divisiveness - yapped "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Which was a lie. A lie for which he has yet to acknowledge, let alone apologize for. The point is, people with an appreciation for history, and a willingness to exert their God given rights were being manipulated and maligned. That's not cool. That's not unifying.…

Not everybody on this website is American, you know.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I mean, that’s simply not true. At a most basic level, if you’re going to collaborate effectively as part of a team for a long period of time then you need to realistically be ± 3 time zones at most.

That's only true if you're working entirely or mostly synchronously, which might be an indicator of inherent anti-patterns in your work culture and processes, e.g., lots of meetings instead of written documentation.

Like pair programming?
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