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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
Immigration policy is just as much to blame: good enough for meta = good enough for general working residency visa
This happens a lot in my country. Eastern Europeans on temporary contracts and company housing (and we use the word house very liberally it is usually just a bed) end up on the streets when fired. They don't get help from the government because no passport. The socialist welfare state cannot be extended to foreigners or it would run out of € and the temp agencies take no responsibility.
If you pay for somebody to relocate to you, you should be legally required to pay for them to relocate back as well. This should have broad political appeal for the obvious reasons.
I've seen this happen a lot. Guy sells everything he has to move family to a new country for a new dream job, then spending big money on renting a nice new house for his family, buying a new car and tons of new stuff for the house and the kids, and a few weeks/months down the line he doesn't pass probation or the company changes course and lays him off, or he realizes the job or city is not what he thought and wishes to leave. And since he hasn't been contributing to the social services for long enough he's not entitled to any welfare/assistance from the state. It happens more often than you think.
The good thing is that in EU your residence permit is not tied to an employer so if you get let go, you can still stay and find another job with relative ease, but no country or company that I'm aware of here pays for your relocation if things don't work out for you. That's why having some savings and living below your means for a while is of major importance when you move cities/countries.
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I'm inclined to agree. Giving a neutral, business sounding label to something like this, and normalising it doesn't make it right. As an interaction between two individuals, this would be immediately recognised as morally wrong, even if contractually right. Isn't morality supposed to scale?
Theoretically it is; practically corporations are implicitly immoral - they’re not human, they have no feelings, it’s only left to whatever (HR in this case) procedures are in place to ensure a positive outcome. Such procedures tend to fail when you move fast and break things.
I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
So, you advocate that employees from abroad should have some sort of default lay-off protection? Why do you think this is fair?
The US (EDIT: given this was in Canada, clearly the US isn't as extreme an outlier as I thought, overall point still stands for the US and Canada) is a pretty extreme outlier in how it allows employers to deal with redundancies, because almost every other developed country recognises there's a massive power asymmetry.
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Relocation to US / Canada is usually primary reason why people look for offers like that. No amount of remote tools an offices abroad will ever replace option to move countries. I am immigrant myself who want to get to EU / US at some point so I can understand reasons of other people really well.
You're saying there aren't enough good Indian engineers who will agree to work for Meta from India? I highly doubt that's accurate.
People who decide to move countries usually not just do it for reasons like career or more money. Most often it's because they dislike something in their home country or want better opportunities for their children.
So no amount of shiny remote work tools or good local offices will make any difference for people who look for relocation. They'll just choose to work for company that does offer relocation.
I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
> you sell the majority of your earthly possessions Not only those. You give up being able to easily meet your family, friends, ... your favorite spot for hanging out is gone and you are in a completely different society, with other ways how things are done. And then in this case with just two days in you are probably still in some temporary housing. For staying you need to find a new job, quickly and a new apartment…
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So, you advocate that employees from abroad should have some sort of default lay-off protection? Why do you think this is fair?
Most developed countries have consultation requirements and notice period requirements for layoffs that would have made this either a non-issue or at least significantly less of a problem. The US (EDIT: given this was in Canada, clearly the US isn't as extreme an outlier as I thought, overall point still stands for the US and Canada) is a pretty extreme outlier in how it allows employers to deal with redundancies, be…
Layoffs are a fact of life in running a business. Treating people poorly is a choice.