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Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Judging by how you are framing the issue and the way you've talked about women in this thread (which has been a red flag for me, at least) I suspect your experience has nothing to do with your physical traits.

Please focus on the argument and don't attack the poster's character. This isn't reddit.

The argument is, "I'm having trouble getting women to approve of me because of systemic issues with women."

I'm pointing out that the causal relationship the poster is making might be wrong. The issue could be the behavior if the poster, not some systemic issue with women.

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If that's true the person to figure out how to make dating apps work for average guys can make a lot of money...

I think lots of people have tried. I agree that among the pool of people on these apps, there are lots of matches that would work out among average-looking people. So why doesn't that happen? It's because a lot of attraction is based on things that photos and profiles can't convey. The medium of "digital app" is just very, very wrong for optimizing dating. I've seen research that the most efficient way to handle dati…

> It's because a lot of attraction is based on things that photos and profiles can't convey.

Especially for men. The worst thing is the imbalance. Compatibility in a long-term relationship is certainly based on factors other than looks for both sexes but, like it or not, all relationships start with basic attraction. Women's basic attraction comes from their looks in the vast majority of cases. But for most men, it has to come from somewhere else. Usually status, power, ability, humour etc. So it works absolutely fine for women, but is a complete non-starter for the average man.

I'm not surprised speed-dating is more efficient. My experience with online dating is that even if I find a woman physically attractive I might not find her attractive in real life. We might simply not hit it off, or there can even be other factors like smell that are off-putting. Speed dating eliminates those immediately as well as allowing people to show off non-physical attractive qualities. I still don't think it's optimal for men, though. The best way is to get good at something and show it off in public. Like playing in a band, public speaking, leading and commanding respect of other men etc. That can make otherwise physically repulsive men attractive. There are countless examples.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. Don't take it personally. Most people aren't successful on them, even the ones who get a lot of matches.

If that's true the person to figure out how to make dating apps work for average guys can make a lot of money...

Or just stick with the tried and tested way of convincing average guys you can make them more attractive without actually making them more attractive.

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>Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. They aren't. I'm in the top 1% for income and top 5% for looks. I used to get no matches on tinder. I asked a few female friends to come up with a profile they thought would be more attractive. After I saw what they came up with (I have a boat, I fly first class, I'm in a holiday in Europe) I deleted it and move them to acquaintances. The type of wo…

A close friend of mine kills it on tinder. He just has pics of himself looking good and smiling. He basically doesn't need to book a place to stay when going on holiday (lol). I would not put him in the top 5% (maybe top 10). Your pics either sucked or you're not as attractive as you think you are. You don't need pics of yourself being rich. Or maybe you're older (he's 27).

He's either far more attractive than you think. Or he's grossly exaggerating his success (like all men). Most likely a bit of both.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. I am absolutely in favor of using AI to combat unsolicited nudes as long as it's implemented something like: on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking fo…

> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day…

Bumble is a dating app. For private communication, you would use an end-to-end encrypted messenger such as Signal or WhatsApp, where no one has any access to your pictures.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account…

When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.

It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe.

That’s the bombastic reply anyway.

The more subtle and nuanced response is this is not a comparable situation because it’s not that developers are ignoring a small demographic, it’s that they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic.

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That doesn't sound logically possible, and if it were it would not last long as average men get wind of it

Why is it not possible? In a society where multi marriages are not allowed there's a woman for every man.

For that to work in practice implies a rigidly monogamous society where almost everyone participates in the same context, bonds for life and does so at an early stage of their lifecycle, as well as few mismatches between both relationship goals and pairing criteria. That's essentially the traditional non-polygamous agrarian civilization model if we ignore the fact that the 0.01% or so of nobles had multiple partners. On dating apps the dynamic is very different.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred i…

It is always unsolicited until it is reasonably, directly solicited

Right but then you're making 'reasonably' and 'directly' do a lot of heavy lifting.

And what does directly even mean in this context? The standards for initiating sex don't require a sit down conversation as to what each party is agreeing to. So why should nude sending be held to a different standard?

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.

Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.

What about nudists who want unsolicited nude pictures of their friends enjoying dinner together, but not unsolicited dick pics?

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. I am absolutely in favor of using AI to combat unsolicited nudes as long as it's implemented something like: on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking fo…

> Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company. I don't understand. Are you suggesting that Bumble should allo…

They clearly are saying that one can provide a system that allows for it, but which also allows people to 'never' receive unsolicited nudes (by enabling the solicitation of acceptance of nudes).

Why? He's suggesting some people like that and advocating for liberalism in this (invoking the idea that it is religious conservatism that leads companies to be averse to such things).

It could be a setting.

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